I fail to see any relation between legalizing prostitution and minors having sex.
As an example: in Holland Prostitution, under certian regulations, IS legal. Its legal to own a club where men and women offer paid sex. Its just a basic enterprise. This legalizing took place about three years ago and as far as I know not once has a research come up with negative results of this happening.
In favour for legalizing is indeed the periodically check-ups of the employees. The law enforcers can control any other illegal activities such as selling or using drugs (not marihuana of course because using that IS legal). The employees do have rights like any other employee, backed-up by the dutch government and have the right to apply for an unemployment allowence when becoming unemployed or disabled.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI dont start arguments, I finish them 😉
Mayharm: " ... maybe this is a topic for another thread) "
Sure ! ....... what's holding you back ? 🙂
Seriously though I would wait to see if there is interest before creating a new thread. I would also like to clear up why remora thought there was some relation between the two issues before taking it further with him.
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Originally posted by rapalla7I meant acts...actions if you will. Specifically those which cannot truthfully be called "having sex".
Which different acts? Do you mean deviances or statutory issues?
"Deviances and statutory issues" sounds like you are discussing legal terms, in which I have little interest and far less knowledge, seeing as the laws on jupiter are going to differ vastly from yours.
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Originally posted by Remora91Seeing as you appear to be intrested I will discuss this in a new thread.
We're pushing laws that have to do with sex.
If you had a child that was 13 would you feel the same about minors having sex?
However I will answer the question of the relation between the two here.
"We're pushing laws that have to do with sex."
You could use the exact same argument with regard to legality of selling alchohol.
Does the fact that alchohol is legally sold to those who have reached the "age of consent" imply that we are somehow laxer in our attitude towards selling alchohol to children?
In both cases there are illegal vendors who will probably not have much concern about selling their wares those under the legal age. They are already commiting a felony, they might hold back due to some vestige of social responsibility, but that's not guaranteed. Legal vendors however, would risk losing their license if caught doing so and their self-interest reduces the need to worry about their sense of social responsibility.
So I would suggest it actually has a beneficial affect on under age sex.
However I'm not certain that entirely covers what you are saying, you would have to further expand your reasoning for me to know how to proceed.
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Originally posted by Mayharm
I dont start arguments, I finish them 😉
Seriously though I would wait to see if there is interest before creating a new thread. I would also like to clear up why remora thought there was some relation between the two issues before taking it further with him.
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Originally posted by NicolaiSmarijuana is not legal in Holland. It is tolerised.
I fail to see any relation between legalizing prostitution and minors having sex.
As an example: in Holland Prostitution, under certian regulations, IS legal. Its legal to own a club where men and women offer paid sex. Its just a basic enterprise. This legalizing took place about three years ago and as far as I know not once has a research come up with n ...[text shortened]... have the right to apply for an unemployment allowence when becoming unemployed or disabled.
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And they pay taxes....
Originally posted by Brother EdwinSurely the arrangements between two consenting adults is none of anyone else's business?
I was watching Richard and Judy and they were duscussing weather or not we should legalise prostitution in England.
I think we should.
Isn't that what freedom is all about?
I agree that there are many reasons to legalise prosititution. Anything illegal immediatly goes underground making it a dangerous world to live in, and legalisation would go some way to improve this. Legalisation could lead to licencing which required health checks reducing the spread of disease & use of drugs. Tax the industry to pay for the cost of policeing it.
But I have reservations. Why was prositiution made illegal in the first place? UK law (& others?) is based on the premise that we should be free to do whatever we chose to do as long as it doesn't harm others. Sex is concidered a vice, as drugs and gambling are, therefroe being potentially addictive. Once you are addicted to something you are no longer 'chosing' to do it and is therefore controled by the law. The level of this control is variable and controvercial.
The second part of this is "...as long as it doesn't harm others". Can we say the the prostitute isn't 'harmed' in some way. I would say from my experience (no, I don't sleep with them) that no-one, no matter what they say, can be a prostitute without it being psychologically damaging. If this is because of the social stigma attached to prostitution which makes the prostitute feel bad in their actions or something more central to our core about being used as a sex object by anyone that has the cash. I believe that 90% of prostitutes are forced into the trade either by others or by financial desperation. Those that 'chose' to become prostitutes usually do so with the mistaken belief that it's an easy way to make cash without realising the damage it does. Even if we legalise prostitution I believe that this would still be true, so should we encourage a trade that people are forced into against their wishes that is damaging to them?
There are other potential problems that are not insummountable but should be considered. If you introduce licencing and controls with the legalisation then you are likely to split the industry into 2 sides, the legal and illegal, defeating what you were trying to achieve unless you invest enough to police it properly.
I believe that making anythign illegal is folly as all this does is drives it underground where it is more dangerous for all involved. But legalisation isn't the majic answer all on it's own and if implemented improperly is could cause more damage than is alleviates. I'd love to hear any studies done on the effect it has had on the trade in Holland.
Originally posted by steerpikesee my above post. Is the client always chosing to visit the prositute if he is addicted to the vice? Is the prositute chosing to sleep with the client when hey are forced to do it for the money?
Surely the arrangements between two consenting adults is none of anyone else's business?
Isn't that what freedom is all about?
Originally posted by NicolaiSIt all sounds a nice idea, where legal prostitution cuts out the nasty aspects such as illegal drugs, violent pimps, etc.
As an example: in Holland Prostitution, under certian regulations, IS legal. Its legal to own a club where men and women offer paid sex. Its just a basic enterprise. This legalizing took place about three years ago and as far as I know not once has a research come up with negative results of this happening.
In favour for legalizing is indeed the periodi ...[text shortened]... have the right to apply for an unemployment allowence when becoming unemployed or disabled.
But there will still be women (and maybe men) who ARE illegal drug users and need some quick and easy money. Now they might turn to prostitution, but if it were legalised and controlled, they wouldn't be allowed to trade because they are illegal drugs users.
So you would get two systems, legal, moderated prostitution, nice and clean and safe. And illegal, drug using prostitutes.
Originally posted by belgianfreakSex a vise??? It is a need not only for procreation, but for social, and mental reasons.
Sex is concidered a vice, as drugs and gambling are, therefroe being potentially addictive..
It is a need like breathing, and as natural. Old Ladies sitting around in their knitting circles would call it a vise.
Originally posted by belgianfreak"But I have reservations. Why was prositiution made illegal in the first place? UK law (& others?) is based on the premise that we should be free to do whatever we chose to do as long as it doesn't harm others. Sex is concidered a vice, as drugs and gambling are, therefroe being potentially addictive."
I agree that there are many reasons to legalise prosititution. Anything illegal immediatly goes underground making it a dangerous world to live in, and legalisation would go some way to improve this. Legalisation could lead to licencin ...[text shortened]... any studies done on the effect it has had on the trade in Holland.
UK law is also based on christian beliefs, from whence came the notion that sex, drugs and gambling are wrong.
"If you introduce licencing and controls with the legalisation then you are likely to split the industry into 2 sides, the legal and illegal, defeating what you were trying to achieve unless you invest enough to police it properly."
If that is so, explain to me how prohibition(illegalising alchohol) was no more expensive to 'police' than the current licensing laws.
As for the question of choice, some people choose to become sewage workers, perhaps they are also "forced" to do such a horrible job because of financial considerations. Indeed it is not only an unpleasent job, but potentially quite harmfull. However some sewage workers actually enjoy their job...
Sex addictive? I should hope so! Are you forgetting that it is required for procreation? If we consider all addiction wrong and that sex is addictive then marriage itself is wrong, let alone prostitution.
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