@no1marauder saidHere's another:
OMG that is far worse than someone breaking into a house and fracturing an 82 year old man's head with a hammer.
Thanks for revealing the horror that right wing politicians face.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-11-03/shot-fired-at-family-home-of-n-carolina-us-house-candidate
But since no one was hit I guess it's okay.
@techsouth saidIt’s not another, read the thread we’ve already counted that nothing burger unsubstantiated two week later claim.
Here's another:
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-11-03/shot-fired-at-family-home-of-n-carolina-us-house-candidate
But since no one was hit I guess it's okay.
@kevcvs57 said"nothing burger"? As I suspected, since no one was killed, you don't count it.
It’s not another, read the thread we’ve already counted that nothing burger unsubstantiated two week later claim.
"unsubstantiated"? Well, there is either a bullet hole or there's not. Seems like the bar for "substantiated" versus "unsubstantiated" differs wildly depending on which side makes the claim.
I'm just looking for consistency.
@techsouth saidNo, you're not.
"nothing burger"? As I suspected, since no one was killed, you don't count it.
"unsubstantiated"? Well, there is either a bullet hole or there's not. Seems like the bar for "substantiated" versus "unsubstantiated" differs wildly depending on which side makes the claim.
I'm just looking for consistency.
In that case, there's a single bullet fired from a densely wooded area striking a window in an empty laundry room at the candidate's parents house. No arrests have been made and the candidate didn't even make the incident public for two weeks. The possibility of some attempted assassination is remote; most likely it was a careless hunter.
@no1marauder saidPeople don't usually hunt at night. And they don't hunt with high power rifles in residential neighborhoods, even if there are lots of trees.
No, you're not.
In that case, there's a single bullet fired from a densely wooded area striking a window in an empty laundry room at the candidate's parents house. No arrests have been made and the candidate didn't even make the incident public for two weeks. The possibility of some attempted assassination is remote; most likely it was a careless hunter.
I'd judge this as more of an "intimidation attempt" than an assassination attempt.
I have a feeling if all else were equal except the candidate was a Democrat, you would not think it likely this was a careless hunter.
@techsouth saidYou're wrong as usual.
People don't usually hunt at night. And they don't hunt with high power rifles in residential neighborhoods, even if there are lots of trees.
I'd judge this as more of an "intimidation attempt" than an assassination attempt.
I have a feeling if all else were equal except the candidate was a Democrat, you would not think it likely this was a careless hunter.
Who says it's a "residential neighborhood"? Who said the hole in the window was caused by a "high power rifle" (it looks too small to be from one of those: https://www.carolinajournal.com/shooting-at-nc-14-gop-candidate-pat-harrigans-home-family-uninjured/)?
You can hunt at night in North Carolina: https://www.ncwildlife.org/Hunting/Learn-Resources/Night-Hunting-FAQs#7140792-when-can-i-hunt
In fact, they make it easy: "Night vision goggles, thermal, and artificial light can be used for hunting in North Carolina during legal night time hours for the following species of animals." https://gunrightsattorneys.com/night-vision-goggles-north-carolina/
EDIT: I looked up the address given in the local newspaper on Google Earth and while there's a lot of woods in the area, there are quite a few houses and it could be fairly described as a "residential neighborhood". https://earth.google.com/web/search/18th+Avenue+Court+Northwest,+Hickory,+NC/@35.7661508,-81.3497222,302.42252867a,837.90590066d,35y,0h,45t,0r/[WORD TOO LONG]
Curiouser and curiouser; maybe it was a neighbor mishandling his weapon or some such.
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04 Nov 22
@techsouth saidHere's another puzzler:
People don't usually hunt at night. And they don't hunt with high power rifles in residential neighborhoods, even if there are lots of trees.
I'd judge this as more of an "intimidation attempt" than an assassination attempt.
I have a feeling if all else were equal except the candidate was a Democrat, you would not think it likely this was a careless hunter.
"The shooting incident occurred around 10 p.m. Oct. 18 at a residence on 18th Avenue Court Northwest and was reported shortly before 9:30 a.m. Oct. 19, according to a police report from the Hickory Police Department."
https://hickoryrecord.com/news/local/accident-and-incident/police-shot-fired-into-congressional-candidates-home-in-hickory/article_eda26302-5bb5-11ed-bdff-1b61d94984b3.html
If you really thought someone deliberately fired a "high power rifle" into your home, would you wait until the next morning, almost 12 hours later, to call the police?
05 Nov 22
@no1marauder saidSo now we've moved on from "probably a hunting accident" to trying to find some other reason to dismiss it?
Here's another puzzler:
"The shooting incident occurred around 10 p.m. Oct. 18 at a residence on 18th Avenue Court Northwest and was reported shortly before 9:30 a.m. Oct. 19, according to a police report from the Hickory Police Department."
https://hickoryrecord.com/news/local/accident-and-incident/police-shot-fired-into-congressional-candidates-home-in-hickory/art ...[text shortened]... e" into your home, would you wait until the next morning, almost 12 hours later, to call the police?
Are you now admitting that this wasn't likely a hunting accident even though that was previously used on this thread to try and dismiss it.
I find it much easier to focus on one thing at a time.
05 Nov 22
@techsouth saidSorry, not being a right winger I don't get wedded to one idea and stick to it regardless of what later information comes in.
So now we've moved on from "probably a hunting accident" to trying to find some other reason to dismiss it?
Are you now admitting that this wasn't likely a hunting accident even though that was previously used on this thread to try and dismiss it.
I find it much easier to focus on one thing at a time.
An accident of some sort still seems most likely though a hoax can't be ruled out.
I notice you actually ignored the information in my post; why was that?
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05 Nov 22
@no1marauder saidYOU MEAN LIKE THE DUMBOCRAT LIBERAL SJW DOOSHBAGS DO?
Sorry, not being a right winger I don't get wedded to one idea and stick to it regardless of what later information comes in.
05 Nov 22
@no1marauder saidWhat information was that?
Sorry, not being a right winger I don't get wedded to one idea and stick to it regardless of what later information comes in.
An accident of some sort still seems most likely though a hoax can't be ruled out.
I notice you actually ignored the information in my post; why was that?
Here is what I said: "I find it much easier to focus on one thing at a time." As of my last post, it felt like we were still not done with the possibility that this was a hunting accident.
One way to look at it is not getting "wedded to one idea and sticking to it". Another way to see it is "I'm throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks. Darn, that one didn't stick".
There is nothing in article the speculated hunting accident. You thought of that yourself. You didn't stay "wed" to the idea, but you did go out and seek the idea and "married" it on your own volition.
The article did say that the children had been living with grandparents and that now they are living out of state out of "abundance of caution". The parents are gun manufacturers and the candidate is a U.S. Army Special Forces veteran. Doesn't sound like the kind of family that would be easily spooked by something that looks and smells like a one-of stray bullet.
Sure, an accident can't be ruled out. But here is a guy who has received multiple death threats who is running as a candidate in a party which the president of the US has referred to as being full of semi-fascists and a party that will destroy "democracy itself". These people probably knew their neighbors and might even expect that if someone had accidently shot in their direction that they'd come and check on them. It doesn't look like the kind of place that a total stranger would visit at 10:00pm and shoot at cans.
Out of due diligence, one could consider the possibility of a hoax. But if that were to come to light, he'd be finished. In my experience, it is normally leftist who fake crimes against themselves (e.g. Jessie Smollett).
If you're referring to the question of why it was reported the next day, I don't know. I don't know any of the people involved. But I do have experience with being the victim of a crime. I was recently robbed at gunpoint on a walk in my neighborhood. Although I wouldn't say I was terrorized, it is very surreal and extremely disorienting. I considered not calling the police because the crooks were long gone and I expected the police would show up 3 hours later and take a report that would only served to log a crime statistic. (When I did call, they came with sirens blaring and eventually caught the guys).
This candidates parents were no doubt well armed (he is a gun manufacturer). After one shot I'd think his first move would be to grab his own weapon for his own protection. After several minutes with no more shots perhaps he thought there was no more immediate danger. And if they call the police, there going to have to stay away probably at least until 1:00am.
All that's just speculation. I don't know these people, but I do know many gun enthusiasts and many well armed people. And I know it is a fallacy to assume that just because someone doesn't do exactly what I think I'd do in the same situation (without even knowing the totality of the situation) that I can then deduce that their behavior is maleficent.
At my house, on my street, with my skills (or lack there) of in self-defense if the house was shot at 10:00pm, I'd probably call the police before going to bed. I know plenty of people that if the same happened at their house on their street I could not be certain what they'd do.
@techsouth saidNo rational person would simply ignore for 12 hours the fact that someone had fired at their house esp. (and then go to bed with two young children in that house) if they were on the mindset that it might have been an attempted assassination. We also have the fact that the candidate didn't even publicly reveal the incident until two weeks later AFTER the Paul Pelosi attack.
What information was that?
Here is what I said: "I find it much easier to focus on one thing at a time." As of my last post, it felt like we were still not done with the possibility that this was a hunting accident.
One way to look at it is not getting "wedded to one idea and sticking to it". Another way to see it is "I'm throwing everything against the wall to see ...[text shortened]... ople that if the same happened at their house on their street I could not be certain what they'd do.
The neighborhood sure doesn't look like one where strangers could pull up and take pot shots at houses either.
Sure, I speculated just like the candidate and you are doing. My speculation is based on the facts and on what reasonable people would do under the circumstances; yours is based solely on your desire to use the incident for partisan advantage as some sort of counterweight to the attack on Pelosi's home (which many right wingers were gleeful to declare a hoax and the Republican candidate for governor in Arizona joked about at a campaign event to appreciative laughter https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3713080-arizona-governor-candidate-kari-lake-jokes-about-paul-pelosi-attack/).
BTW, it is Pat Harrigan, the candidate, who started and owns the gun manufacturing company. https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/politics/elections/14th-district-jeff-jackson-pat-harrigan-midterm-elections/275-cf698bb3-d951-42c2-9e73-a0614bcf18fe
It is rank speculation on your part that his parents had any guns in the house.
06 Nov 22
More carnage by the Nazi-crats:
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1.) “Republican Gen. Bolduc Physically Attacked by Individual Outside Wednesday’s Debate”
2.) “Report: Illinois Man Threatened to Kill GOP Gubernatorial Candidate Darren Bailey and His Family”
3.) “Report: Rep. Lee Zeldin Attacked by Man with Weapon at Campaign Stop“
4.) “Disorderly Whitmer Supporter Allegedly Bites Attendee at Tudor Dixon Rally“
5.) “Marco Rubio Volunteer Viciously Attacked by Assailants Who Said Republicans Weren’t Allowed in Their Neighborhood“
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https://www.breitbart.com/midterm-election/2022/11/05/political-violence-rages-against-republican-candidates-staffers-volunteers/