06 May 20
@phranny saidI would question, though understand, that addiction was necessarily a choice whereas personal responsibility "is" a choice. I would also question weather people did " choose " ( word used loosely ).
The economic damage is terrible. However, suicide and death due to drug addiction are choices. Dying from Covid 19 because people are unwilling to keep their distance and/or socially isolate themselves or because they are forced by the government to work in environments lacking PPE, is not a choice. I have seen predictions of 3000/day dying in the U.S. starting June 1. Many C ...[text shortened]... enough test kits, reagents for analysis or PPE for administering the tests to the living in the U.S.
If each person took responsibility for there own actions, mentally incapable ( and those in care ) excluded, and washed there hands regularly, kept there hands away from there mouths and sneezed into there elbows, chances of infection are impossibly low to even begin, for a sane person, to care.
What I am saying is if "you" do the right things "yourself" it is against the odds that you would get it. Of course I would include other measures above for those in the vulnerable bracket but, fair go, let people take responsibility for there own lives.
For the most part, if "you" got it "you" did something wrong.
Personable responsibility is a dying art these days.
06 May 20
@sh76 saidYou do realize that most people still are working, don't you?
Well, somebody has to work. We need stuff to be done. I'm sure working, although granted, my work doesn't really put me in harm's way.
I'm fine with temporary unemployment benefits, as I said above, but sooner or later, most people have to go back to work for the economy to have any chance to rebound.
06 May 20
The post that was quoted here has been removedWe might have 2 in a row here duchy.
I agree strongly with the principle of a UBI. The problem in Aussie is the government has sold of all the income producing assets and still plan to sell future ones. ie tendering out for toll roads.
The way I see it, we are all ( mostly ) ok with the concept of an individual owning $20 m in shares and living of the dividends without working for the rest of their lives but seem to balk at the idea of the government paying dividends to it people. I, for one, don't get it.
07 May 20
@ponderable saidAre they not one of the same?? if one uses the dearest option, lockdown and truckloads of money, to fix the problem, then that stuffs your kids future. " cheapest to fix now" affects future, yes? And what do you mean "profits". is it not rather having more/less money left in the economy for other things.
So I wasn't clear.
The two competing theses on economy would be for me:
"cheapest to fix" affects cost now.
"biggest economical Impact" affects "future Profits"
Again, sorry, not sure I am getting the crux of what you are saying.
07 May 20
Another example, woman dies because she puts off going to see a doctor. People avoiding doctors is going on everywhere. Last story I gave was from California. This woman is from Washington.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/06/850454989/eerie-emptiness-of-ers-worries-doctors-where-are-the-heart-attacks-and-strokes