31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @no1marauderNone of that was the subject of the indictment. The indictment was about money laundering activities with Russian firms that had nothing to do with Trump, Clinton or indeed, Presidential politics.
But Papadopoulos was sending those e-mails directly to Manafort:
Four weeks later, on May 21, Papadopoulos emailed Paul Manafort, who was then Trump’s campaign chairman (and has now been indicted on tax fraud charges), to reiterate that Russia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs was “eager to meet Mr. Trump.” Manafort forwarded the email to another Trump c ...[text shortened]... d_politics/politics/2017/10/papadopoulos_plea_blurs_the_line_between_collusion_and_cover_up.html
Originally posted by @sh76The details of Papadopoulos' indictment was just made public yesterday. That's why he was all over the news, and why Trump is tweeting about him today.
The aide was referring to Gates, not Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos was not indicted yesterday; he took a plea several weeks ago.
Originally posted by @vivifyThis is a silly argument because it means nothing in the scheme of things, but "Manafort and aide indicted" plainly means Manafort and Gates, not Manafort and Papadopoulos.
The details of Papadopoulos' indictment was just made public yesterday. That's why he was all over the news.
I was referring to the Manafort indictment, which was the subject of this thread.
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @sh76C'mon Sh don't play dumb. You really think it's a coincidence that the Papadopoulos plea agreement (with the information that he has been cooperating with the government for months) and the indictments against Manafort and Gates were announced on the same day? Papadopoulos was directly reporting to Manafort as regards the information he subsequently lied about to the FBI. Looking just at the letter of the Manafort and Gates indictment is missing the forest by staring at a tree.
None of that was the subject of the indictment. The indictment was about money laundering activities with Russian firms that had nothing to do with Trump, Clinton or indeed, Presidential politics.
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @sh76The title of the thread is:
This is a silly argument because it means nothing in the scheme of things, but "Manafort and aide indicted" plainly means Manafort and Gates, not Manafort and Papadopoulos.
I was referring to the Manafort indictment, which was the subject of this thread.
Manafort and aide indicted; Trump campaign official admits lying to FBI
The Papadopoulos guilty plea is as much of the subject of the thread as the indictment (and, of course, they are linked whether you admit it or not).
Originally posted by @sh76If the news of Papadapoulos being made public yesterday "means nothing", why is Trump tweeting about him today, and it's still morning? Why is Trump going out of his way to distance himself from Papadapoulos and condemn him?
This is a silly argument because it means nothing in the scheme of things,
And, as I already mentioned, the thread title is "Manafort AND aide indicted". It's not "ONLY Manafort indicted".
Obviously, your argument is silly.
Originally posted by @no1marauderI don't think the indictment of Manafort has any significance for Trump other than that it makes it more likely that he'll flip.
C'mon Sh don't play dumb. You really think it's a coincidence that the Papadopoulos plea agreement (with the information that he has been cooperating with the government for months) and the indictments against Manafort and Gates were announced on the same day? Papadopoulos was directly reporting to Manafort as regards the information he subsequently lie ...[text shortened]... t at the letter of the Manafort and Gates indictment is missing the forest by staring at a tree.
That Papadopolous reported to Manafort has significance, of course, but not in the sense of Manafort's money-laundering activities from 2011-2016, which is what the indictment was about.
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @vivifyYou're assuming Trump behaves logically.
If the news of Papadapoulos being made public yesterday "means nothing", why is Trump tweeting about him today, and it's still morning? Why is Trump going out of his way to distance himself from Papadapoulos and condemn him?
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @no1marauderAs for the coincidence, obviously, I think Mueller is trying to build a case against Trump. But Manafort will only help with that if he spills information unrelated to his indictment.
C'mon Sh don't play dumb. You really think it's a coincidence that the Papadopoulos plea agreement (with the information that he has been cooperating with the government for months) and the indictments against Manafort and Gates were announced on the same day? Papadopoulos was directly reporting to Manafort as regards the information he subsequently lie ...[text shortened]... t at the letter of the Manafort and Gates indictment is missing the forest by staring at a tree.
Nothing in the Manafort indictment impugns the Trump campaign.
Even the Papadopoulos plea only shows that Trump campaign officials had contact with Russians about getting info damaging to HRC, which we already knew from Eric's emails and the Jared meeting in any case.
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @no1marauder=== they are linked ===
The title of the thread is:
Manafort and aide indicted; Trump campaign official admits lying to FBI
The Papadopoulos guilty plea is as much of the subject of the thread as the indictment (and, of course, they are linked whether you admit it or not).
How are they linked? Mueller may know of a link, but I see nothing in the released information that links them.
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @vivifyI think Trump's behavior is all about his ego. He lashed out because he perceived the indictment as a slight against him. Whether it actually affects him is irrelevant.
Trump's behavior isn't illogical, it's moronic. Though often, he's moronic to the point of seeming illogical.
31 Oct 17
Originally posted by @sh76It shows that Papadopoulos was willing to lie to the FBI about the details of those contacts with the Russians.
As for the coincidence, obviously, I think Mueller is trying to build a case against Trump. But Manafort will only help with that if he spills information unrelated to his indictment.
Nothing in the Manafort indictment impugns the Trump campaign.
Even the Papadopoulos plea only shows that Trump campaign officials had contact with Russians about getting info damaging to HRC, which we already knew from Eric's emails and the Jared meeting in any case.
Why would he do so IF they weren't far more significant than Trump and others are admitting?
Again your looking at the tree of the Manafort indictment and missing the forest of the fact that Papadopolous lied about information that he provided Manafort and others in the Trump campaign. Thinking that this is likely to end at Papadopolous just because Mueller's first round of indictments didn't go farther shows a severe lack of imagination esp. from someone who worked in a prosecutor's office.