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@wildgrass saidYes? Spend, then complain about the deficit - how is that not conservative? The Tories do the same in England.
Reagan drastically increased federal spending compared to liberal jimmy Carter. You call that conservative?
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18 Sep 22
@averagejoe1 saidLet's see (and all this is just from his Wikipedia page, I'm sure there's more):
Was Wm F Buckley decent?
- defender of the McCarthy witch hunts;
- segregationist;
- supporter of Franco (an actual Fascist!) and Pinochet;
- defender of murderers;
- homophobe of a particularly pathetic kind;
- supporter of the death penalty;
- wanted victims of AIDS tattooed, as if he were a KZ Kommandant;
- oh, and apparently also a stock market fraud, and all-round hypocrite.
No, it doesn't seem that William F. Buckley comes anywhere near "decent". "All-round rotter" is a better expression for him.
18 Sep 22
@zahlanzi saidBut would not the taxpayers gladly pay to remove illegals from their midst? I don't get you there, Zahlanzi. Hey, where is your man Obama, who lives right down the street. Totally silent.
Did anyone mention that the party of fiscal responsibility used taxpayers' money for this political stunt? I feel it should be mentioned.
Zahalanzi why does he not step up and support this stuff? The optics are Perfect for us conservatives, he is wasting a golden opportunity .
Anyway, would you not pay money to get an illegal out of your midst. Why, they have not been vetted. A runny nose could be more than a runny nose. There are no runny noses in M'Vineyard.
@shallow-blue saidSegregation was the norm, shallow. Start a thread on that one.
Let's see (and all this is just from his Wikipedia page, I'm sure there's more):
- defender of the McCarthy witch hunts;
- segregationist;
- supporter of Franco (an actual Fascist!) and Pinochet;
- defender of murderers;
- homophobe of a particularly pathetic kind;
- supporter of the death penalty;
- wanted victims of AIDS tattooed, as if he were a KZ Kommandant; ...[text shortened]... William F. Buckley comes anywhere near "decent". "All-round rotter" is a better expression for him.
McCarthyism had two sides, Shallow. Like, some people knew how bad Jimmy Carter would be. Some thought he was great. Some, like Buckley, were looking at the daily progress at that time. It ended like it ended. Whew.
Defender of murderers? You defend fentanyl murderers and rapists every minute of the day. Law breakers. Ending sovereignty of the USA. Whew.
Homophobia was the norm, way back. I mean, why did homosexuals hide in the closet. They were different, in a girl-boy society. Whew. Buckley, and Reagan.....they leaned toward being men, I would not fault them for that. Do you fault them for having taken a second glance at a gay person? Whew.
I support the death penalty. So, no one supports the death penalty? You, the Zahlanzi, dare to say death penalty supporters are just flat wrong????
This is my favorite answer : A person with Aids is a weapon. A weaponized human. I say put a tattoo on their forehead.
Not familiar with stock mkt fraud, but at the moment, Buckley is OK in my book.
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18 Sep 22
@averagejoe1 saidNo, it wasn't. Not by then. Except in Allybammy.
Segregation was the norm, shallow. Start a thread on that one.
McCarthyism had two sides, Shallow. Like, some people knew how bad Jimmy Carter would be. Some thought he was great. Some, like Buckley, were looking at the daily progress at that time. It ended like it ended. Whew.
Defender of murderers? You defend fentanyl murderers and rapists every minute of the ...[text shortened]... n their forehead.
Not familiar with stock mkt fraud, but at the moment, Buckley is OK in my book.
No, it didn't. It was a witch hunt which destroyed many lives and did nothing to "fight the reds".
No, I don't.
No, it wasn't; at least, not as pettily as his.
Yes, you do; and no, nobody decent does.
No, he isn't; and yes, you, apparently, also are of the same strain as KZ Kommandante.
Well, you're an idiot, then.
Good grief, it's easy to demolish your mediæval positions.
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@shallow-blue saidSegregation was the norm, sorry. e Even with marriage....can you imagine that . Every state. Wrong here, Shallow
No, it wasn't. Not by then. Except in Allybammy.
No, it didn't. It was a witch hunt which destroyed many lives and did nothing to "fight the reds".
No, I don't.
No, it wasn't; at least, not as pettily as his.
Yes, you do; and no, nobody decent does.
No, he isn't; and yes, you, apparently, also are of the same strain as KZ Kommandante.
Well, you're an idiot, then.
Good grief, it's easy to demolish your mediæval positions.
Sure, McCarthy was bad, but it was a sign of the times, get a grip.
You do defend rapists and murderers crossing the border. Fentanyl.
Did you LOVE my saying that people with Aids are walking weapons? One woman with Aids got laid as much as she could to spread it. She should have had a tattoo, Shallow. You know it, I know it, everyone one knows it.
Are you the one who will not answer my moneypenny post, I have a hard time keeping up with you libs.
18 Sep 22
@shavixmir saidWhy not like Ayn Rand philosophy? Would you rather she teach us all to be sheep? If that is your thinking, make me the sheepherder.
Raygun wasn’t a decent human being.
He was a neo-con, Ayn Rand lovinf piece of 💩, crappy b-actor, racist thug.
He did have a sense of humor. His one redeeming feature.
But Raygun, together with Thatcher, orchestrated a lot of what’s wrong with the planet; and the US in particular, today.
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@averagejoe1 saidHe and Trump were very similar. Both were celebrities. Both were smooth talkers. Both knew to say the right things to the right people to gain power.
Jesus. Can you just stay on the issue you created.? And you say Reagan was not a conservative? What was he WGrass.? Was Wm F Buckley decent? Hey, I already cleaned a Sonhouse post up with really good link. Don’t make me chase one down for you.
You said above that a conservative cannot be decent, in so many words, I am not looking at it, I am on a tablet.
I q ...[text shortened]... n, as an example, was not decent. Hard stuff, I know. That’s why I am here, to bring you along.
If you look at their track records, the things they actually accomplished, they were big government liberals. Look at the spending! Trickle down economics was a magical sleight of hand. A trick. A grift. A scam. It's a laundry list of handouts to their wealthy friends and donors.
Say the right thing, do the wrong thing.
18 Sep 22
@wildgrass saidWell I'll be. I never looked at it that way. What a way to look at it. Damn Reagan. And Trump. The USA really suffered during their tenures. A lot of people moved to countries where they could live under socialism.
He and Trump were very similar. Both were celebrities. Both were smooth talkers. Both knew to say the right things to the right people to gain power.
If you look at their track records, the things they actually accomplished, they were big government liberals. Look at the spending! Trickle down economics was a magical sleight of hand. A trick. A grift. A scam. It's a laun ...[text shortened]... ry list of handouts to their wealthy friends and donors.
Say the right thing, do the wrong thing.
18 Sep 22
@Wildgrass. So, what do you think, by the way, of your realization that the cost of the wall would have Ended when the Wall was Completed, but in the present situation, the cost of illegal aliens in our country will NEVER end. I did not hear back from you. Someone, maybe the jester, had disagreed that the aliens would cost $4B more than than the wall. Or, was that you?
18 Sep 22
@Wildgrass. Oh, Wildgrass, here is a link of Reagan quotes. I hope you are not offffeeeennnnnnndded, especially about the references to God. And he says "We can't help everyone, but everyone can help someone". That must really fly in your face, because up to now you have reasoned that Republicans are not nice in that regard.
https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/ronald-reagan-quotes
18 Sep 22
@wildgrass saidAn interesting comparison but I wince at this:
He and Trump were very similar. Both were celebrities. Both were smooth talkers. Both knew to say the right things to the right people to gain power.
If you look at their track records, the things they actually accomplished, they were big government liberals. Look at the spending! Trickle down economics was a magical sleight of hand. A trick. A grift. A scam. It's a laun ...[text shortened]... ry list of handouts to their wealthy friends and donors.
Say the right thing, do the wrong thing.
Both knew to say the right things to the right people to gain power.
Dude, the man never knew when to stop alienating his own people. Do you remember Trump blowing up
Senator McCaine...? That came back to haunt Trump as it was Republican Senator McCaine that made
the deciding vote on repealing Obamacare. Trump's problem was he never knew tact, never knew humbleness.
And it cost him big time.
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@earl-of-trumps saidI disagree. All the junk was predictable, purposeful and calculated.
An interesting comparison but I wince at this:
Both knew to say the right things to the right people to gain power.
Dude, the man never knew when to stop alienating his own people. Do you remember Trump blowing up
Senator McCaine...? That came back to haunt Trump as it was Republican Senator McCaine that made
the deciding vote on repealing Obamacare. Trump's problem was he never knew tact, never knew humbleness.
And it cost him big time.