11 Nov 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziReally?
"You want tyranny."
yes. providing healthcare to people who don't have it is tyranny.[/b]
What if they take half your income to pay for health care? What if they take 75% of your income? What if they take 100% of your income? What if health care consumed every waking hour of your life?
12 Nov 15
Originally posted by whodeywhat if they don't increase your taxes and just lower their military budget by 1%? what if they skip on next year's war and just give universal healthcare to everyone.
Really?
What if they take half your income to pay for health care? What if they take 75% of your income? What if they take 100% of your income? What if health care consumed every waking hour of your life?
12 Nov 15
Originally posted by Wajomayou've been reading ayn rand too much, it has rotted your brain.
Forcing people to fund the reckless, careless health decisions of others (like spending too much of the day sitting) at the expense of your own healthcare is clearly most definitely 100% tyranny.
i could ask you to find a statistic to support your statement but you won't. in that mildewy box you call a skull you probably imagine everyone in the hospital is there because they didn't exercise properly.
i could point out that the americans are already funding the reckless careless decisions of others who got them into wars or to fund tax cuts for the rich. but that too would be lost on you.
go eat some randian books
12 Nov 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziAnswer the question. When does compulsory health insurance become a burden?
what if they don't increase your taxes and just lower their military budget by 1%? what if they skip on next year's war and just give universal healthcare to everyone.
What if we all wind up slaves to health care?
12 Nov 15
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Originally posted by ZahlanziI seriously don't think your numbers add up. Giving health care to everyone would ultimately eclipse even the cost of a military, and would leave a defenseless nation.
what if they don't increase your taxes and just lower their military budget by 1%? what if they skip on next year's war and just give universal healthcare to everyone.
I can agree with cutting the military, but I don't subscribe to the notion that government does better than markets at providing goods. That has long ago proved to be a fallacy.
12 Nov 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziYou might try reading Rand, and acquiring some logical thinking skills instead of all that emotion.
you've been reading ayn rand too much, it has rotted your brain.
i could ask you to find a statistic to support your statement but you won't. in that mildewy box you call a skull you probably imagine everyone in the hospital is there because they didn't exercise properly.
i could point out that the americans are already funding the reckless carel ...[text shortened]... to fund tax cuts for the rich. but that too would be lost on you.
go eat some randian books
12 Nov 15
Originally posted by whodey"When does compulsory health insurance become a burden?"
Answer the question. When does compulsory health insurance become a burden?
What if we all wind up slaves to health care?
when does paying for the biggest military budget become a burden? do you feel that money leaving your pocket? how about if some of that money gets directed towards education or health care?
i am not going to answer "What if we all wind up slaves to health care?". it is retarded.
you really can't conceive socialized healthcare except by imagining a bleak communist landscape in which everyone wears uniforms, do you?
you really don't realize you are already paying a ton of taxes for an obscene military and that some of that money could be used for healthcare at no additional cost for the citizens.
you really don't realize the mega corps have countless loopholes to avoid paying taxes, taxes that again could pay for healthcare at no additional cost for the citizens.
solutions can be found if one looks for them. you are incapable to consider any possibility other than "my way good, their way total society collapse"
12 Nov 15
Originally posted by normbenign"Giving health care to everyone would ultimately eclipse even the cost of a military, and would leave a defenseless nation."
I seriously don't think your numbers add up. Giving health care to everyone would ultimately eclipse even the cost of a military, and would leave a defenseless nation.
I can agree with cutting the military, but I don't subscribe to the notion that government does better than markets at providing goods. That has long ago proved to be a fallacy.
this is hilariously paranoid.
sweeden, france, germany, uk, spain, norway, canada are defenseless? cuba.
isreal manages to maintain an active military and universal health care.
"I don't subscribe to the notion that government does better than markets at providing goods"
this tired crap again.
healthcare is not a good it is a social service. like the police force and fire fighters. you want to privatize them as well?
the government has an interest in keeping its citizens happy and healthy. it will try to cure illness so the citizen becomes productive again.
it is against a business interest to cure an illness. it is out to maximize its profits and it can do that by keeping the client alive and able enough to keep buying the product.
also, when your product is essential to one's desire to not die, you can ask for any price.
"That has long ago proved to be a fallacy"
not going to enumerate all the countries that have universal care and have not descended into anarchy because, again, healthcare is not a commodity.
12 Nov 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziWhether it be paying for the military or health care or both, at what point does socialism become a burden? At what point do we become slaves of the state?
"When does compulsory health insurance become a burden?"
when does paying for the biggest military budget become a burden? do you feel that money leaving your pocket? how about if some of that money gets directed towards education or health care?
i am not going to answer "What if we all wind up slaves to health care?". it is retarded.
you really can ...[text shortened]... incapable to consider any possibility other than "my way good, their way total society collapse"
Looking at our pay checks, it seems they want at least half of everything we have, and it still is not enough. Scratch that, they are some $18 trillion short of having enough.
13 Nov 15
Originally posted by whodey"Looking at our pay checks, it seems they want at least half of everything we have,"
Whether it be paying for the military or health care or both, at what point does socialism become a burden? At what point do we become slaves of the state?
Looking at our pay checks, it seems they want at least half of everything we have, and it still is not enough. Scratch that, they are some $18 trillion short of having enough.
single worker without kids pays 22.7% income tax. where do you come up with half? you;ve been having nightmares again?
"Scratch that, they are some $18 trillion short of having enough."
and to you, does that mean you are too poor of a country to afford to give your own citizen healthcare or that you are spending like there is no tomorrow. that when someone with low income asks you why they can't get to see a doctor, you tell them you need another tank?
13 Nov 15
Originally posted by Zahlanzihealthcare is not a commodity.
"Giving health care to everyone would ultimately eclipse even the cost of a military, and would leave a defenseless nation."
this is hilariously paranoid.
sweeden, france, germany, uk, spain, norway, canada are defenseless? cuba.
isreal manages to maintain an active military and universal health care.
"I don't subscribe to the notion that government ...[text shortened]... niversal care and have not descended into anarchy because, again, healthcare is not a commodity.
Tell that to doctors who have invested their entire youth in education, and substantial cash in an office to set up a practice.
