Originally posted by ivanhoeYour support of Iyer's claim necessarily entails a coordinated
Stop your strawmen reasoning. I never claimed such a thing.
coverup between Michael, the other nurses, doctors, and staff where
Terri resided.
Either she is telling the truth and everyone else is lying, or she is
lying and everyone else is telling the truth.
Which is it?
Nemesio
Originally posted by Nemesio
Your support of Iyer's claim [b]necessarily entails a coordinated
coverup between Michael, the other nurses, doctors, and staff where
Terri resided.
Either she is telling the truth and everyone else is lying, or she is
lying and everyone else is telling the truth.
Which is it?
Nemesio[/b]
Now we are getting somewhere. There are definitely people lying in this case. Who is lying, on what issues are they lying and why are they lying are very interesting and relevant questions. It should be investigated thoroughly. This Terri Schiavo case is too important to leave all these questions unanswered.
This case will determine and poison (?) political relations in the US for a considerable period of time. An investigation is absolutely necessary.
Originally posted by ivanhoeI understand that some feel very strongly that Terri should be kept alive, I guess it’s because (feel free to correct me) you feel that God alone should decide when peoples life should end.
Other quotes from this lying right wing propaganda site (according to no1):
" ...... I recorded Michael's statements word for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that said under no ...[text shortened]... NOW before Terri dies.
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=89217
Others, my self included, feel that we should try everything while there is hope - but when all hope is gone we should all ways remember that our goal must be to add life to the years that we are given - not add years to our life for any price.
Both views are valid and we can discuss them and see where we agree and disagree and what values are associated with them.
However to me it seems that one side have decided that this is a battle that should be fought with all means. Instead of discussing this deep issue, it now seems that all energy have been diverted to try to come up with all kind of accusations ranging from greed to attempted murder.
Unless you seriously believe that a plot of almost incomprehensible evil is unfolding undetected by courts, physicians and social services - only recognised by parts of the press, and a few persons who have the special power to tell right from wrong - then perhaps it would be wise to try to think about whom benefits from these accusations before taking them for granted.
I don’t know Terri, it’s not my decision. The best would be if those who loved her could agree.
But if she was one of my loved ones, and more than a decade of prayers and medical advances had proven unsuccessful then I would say all hope is out - let Terri die in peace.
Originally posted by Nemesiowell, with your nouth plenty of "conspiracy theories", and being (at least for I can humble deduce from you own messages ypu are a religioys person)... Why do you continue to attack EVERY defense against Terri's life?
It's another conspiracy theory.
Ivanhoe, you really need help.
Nemesio
This seems to me a fanatic attxk againt whatever opposes your opinions.
If she isn't suffering, as long as the concepts Bennett has told us, why u wish to see her death?
Oh. Im tempted to put here some 4 letters words regarding your opinions. English ist'n my mother tongue.... could I put that in spanish?
With all respect (?) due
Michael
Originally posted by Scheel
I understand that some feel very strongly that Terri should be kept alive, I guess it’s because (feel free to correct me) you feel that God alone should decide when peoples life should end.
Others, my self included, feel that we should try ...[text shortened]... essful then I would say all hope is out - let Terri die in peace.
An investigation into how the courts and judges, in particular judge Greer, have weighed the evidence is crucial. Which criteria did they use to determine which evidence is "credible" and why and how did they label the evidence to the contrary as "incredible".
Originally posted by NemesioNemesio: "Your support of Iyer's claim necessarily entails a coordinated
Your support of Iyer's claim [b]necessarily entails a coordinated
coverup between Michael, the other nurses, doctors, and staff where
Terri resided.
Either she is telling the truth and everyone else is lying, or she is
lying and everyone else is telling the truth.
Which is it?
Nemesio[/b]
coverup between Michael, the other nurses, doctors, and staff where
Terri resided."
Please remember these are YOUR words and not mine. It is YOUR conclusion and not mine.
My position is that only after a thorough official investigation such conclusions can be drawn concerning the Terri Schiavo case.
Originally posted by LittleBear
well, with your nouth plenty of "conspiracy theories", and being (at least for I can humble deduce from you own messages ypu are a religioys person)... Why do you continue to attack EVERY defense against Terri's life?
Three reasons:
1) Because she is not alive in any meaningful sense. The absence
of a cerebrum means the absence of the capacity for feelings,
emotions, memories, experiences. She is brain dead. I do not
believe that brain dead people have 'rights' to be violated.
2) Her husband is her guardian and proxy for her medical decisions.
He has exhausted the entirety of reasonable therapies (and, despite
what people claim, he has gone through a litany of therapies for the
first seven or eight years of her incapacitation). Upon realizing that
such therapy was useless (see #1 above), he decided to try to realize
her wishes in extubating her.
3) Lastly, the courts have upheld this, but the Schindlers are trying to
make exceptions for this law. This law is in place for a reason: the
bond between husband and wife is a stronger legal bond than between
married child and parents.
This seems to me a fanatic attxk againt whatever opposes your opinions.
Not all opinions are equal. Most of the opinions supporting keeping
Terri intubated are based in poor reasoning. I oppose poor reasoning.
If she isn't suffering, as long as the concepts Bennett has told us, why u wish to see her death?
Because Terri's wishes are being denied. If Terri had decided to
remain indefinitely intubated and people were trying to extubate her,
then I would just as vehemently oppose that (even though I would
believe it silly).
For me, it comes down to two datum: 1) Is she alive (no); and 2) are
he wishes being realized now (yes).
These two criteria make it a clear-cut case for me.
Nemesio
P.S., I appreciate that you are struggling with communicating, but
there is no reason to be rude (4-letter words). I am not slandering
you, I see no reason for you to slander me.
Originally posted by DelmerWhen you are referring to the children who have no part in this as bastards - is it then due to your anger around this particular case - or is that just your general attitude to people who are not the fruit of first time marriage blessed by the one true christian god.
I wonder if Terri's husband will be holding her hand when she dies, with his girlfriend and their two bastard children in a corner of the room sobbing in sorrow, of course.
Originally posted by ScheelJust using the dictionary definition.
When you are referring to the children who have no part in this as bastards - is it then due to your anger around this particular case - or is that just your general attitude to people who are not the fruit of first time marriage blessed by the one true christian god.
Originally posted by ScheelBecause he's a self-righteous a**hole.
When you are referring to the children who have no part in this as bastards - is it then due to your anger around this particular case - or is that just your general attitude to people who are not the fruit of first time marriage blessed by the one true christian god.
Originally posted by DelmerNormally I'm no fan of PC but you might want to buy a newer dictionary. With the implicit derogatory meaning of the word - not everybody born out of wedlock deserves to be equated with a term originally associated with dogs of dubious origin.
Just using the dictionary definition.
But then again you are likely a more authoritative source on the correct use of English than I.
Originally posted by ivanhoeThey've already had those "investigations"; they're called "appeals" in the judical process. 6 courts have sided with the trial court on EVERY substantative issue. At some point litigation must end; this case has been going for 7 years, the facts aren't going to change and the law is clear. Let her wishes be honored and let her rest in peace.
An investigation into how the courts and judges, in particular judge Greer, have weighed the evidence is crucial. Which criteria did they use to determine which evidence is "credible" and why and how did they label the evidence to the contrary as "incredible".