Missing People In Iraq...

Originally posted by darvlay
While 7ate9oftherwrongpillsthismorning is taking a break to recharge, I'll give my two cents and try to explain myself further:

A statistic which details the number of Iraqis "missing or presumed dead" will no doubt be misinterpreted by some to say that these are the number of Iraqis killed by Americans unless it is specified that these are the people de ...[text shortened]... onsible for publishing such a statistic and should they be damned for not doing so? No.

I agree, the iraqi government should figure it out and then bring it to light. If the american forces do it, that'll just be one more reason to keep on relying on us. The trick isn't assigning responsibility, the trick is to take it upon themselves (the iraqis), grow, expand, and take control.

Originally posted by 7ate9
The Iraqi government would be in the best position to do it, but when it comes to responsibility it would be Americas... due to causing it through the invasion.

That is just not true. You can't blame every single missing iraqi on the americans because they invaded.

Originally posted by 7ate9
It isn't all about blame, but a need for people to see what the situation is....

If one can't see already how chaotic the situation is over there, no statistic is going to help them.

Originally posted by 7ate9
If I pushed someone beyond their limits and they killed an innocent person then I would have a responsibility to the innocent person's friends, family etc...

It isn't all about blame, but a need for people to see what the situation is....

If I were to bug a person, push them, harass them, until they commited a crime because they flipped out, it is their fault not mine.

It doesn't mean that I am a good person, but blood is not on my hands by any means.

I agree that people should see the situation as it really is. Unfortunately, in our little world of chess and debates, the scope is a bit too small. If the Iraqis feel like it is a serious enough grievance then they should do the research and publish it.

Originally posted by darvlay
What in the hell are you on about?

I thought you were looking for statistics on the number of missing persons in Iraq (native or otherwise, historic or recent). How on Earth you could turn such a simple request into a soapbox for your meandering rants is... well... it's ridiculous. Sorry.

Sorry to interject but I thought that the following may be of interest.

A paper in this week's Lancet:

Mortality after the 2003 invasion of Iraq: a cross-sectional cluster sample survey. Burnham, Lafta and Roberts, Lancet, Vol 368. No. 9545. pp1421-1428.

shows that the US invasion has caused 655,000 deaths.

Originally posted by 7ate9
America should have spent the first part of their invasion into Baghdad catching 50,000 criminals instead of trying to save, 'America' from terrorists. Baghdad's biggest problem was a policing issue, not a terrorist one. 😕.

America's ignorance in superiority would no doubt have led to the death squads naturally becoming a home for those prisoners. For man ...[text shortened]...

LIFE IS SWEEEEETTT...

WE LLLLOOOOOVVVVEEEE AMERICA AND BUSH. HE IS OUR HERO!!!!!!!

7ate9 why dont you sell your sheep move to Iraq and help them fight for ther freedom, i think you will soon change your mind, you will see it from a different light and learn why the americans are there,and see the evil there trying to eradicate

PS: please stand in the xfire