@averagejoe1 saidIt’s the amount that a person could could reasonably be expected to live on without resorting to welfare, which is liberating for the individual and reduces the tax burden on the citizens because they do not have to subsidise corporate wage bills.
Please elaborate on living wage
07 Feb 20
Here we go: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/07/us-nonfarm-payrolls-january-2019.html
Nonfarm payrolls surged 225,000 for the month, well above Wall Street estimates for a 158,000 gain.
The unemployment rate ticked higher to 3.6%, but for the right reason as the labor force participation rate increased 0.2 percentage points to 63.4%, matching its highest level since June 2013.
Average hourly earnings rose 3.1% over a year ago to $28.44, ahead of estimates for 3% growth.
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And you think the middlings are going to accept democrat WELFARE when they can earn $28.44 an hour????
LOL! See you in November, toolies.
@earl-of-trumps said"In a sweeping annual revision, the number of jobs gained from March 2018 to March 2019 was lowered by a whopping 514,000, slightly more than a preliminary estimate last summer. But payroll increases from April to December were revised up by 92,000, leaving total employment in December 422,000 below prior estimates."
Here we go: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/07/us-nonfarm-payrolls-january-2019.html
Nonfarm payrolls surged 225,000 for the month, well above Wall Street estimates for a 158,000 gain.
The unemployment rate ticked higher to 3.6%, but for the right reason as the labor force participation rate increased 0.2 percentage points to 63.4%, matching its highest level since J ...[text shortened]... accept democrat WELFARE when they can earn $28.44 an hour????
LOL! See you in November, toolies.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/markets/economy-added-strong-225000-jobs-in-january-and-the-unemployment-rate-rose-to-36-25/ar-BBZLgc7
So the economy added a half a million less jobs than originally supposed last year. And even before that downward revision the job increases for Trump's first 35 months remain well below Obama's last 35 months:
"During Trump's first 35 months in office, the US economy has gained 6.69 million jobs. But during a comparable 35-month period at the end of Obama's tenure, employers added 7.96 million jobs, or 19%, more than what has been added since Trump took office.
The average monthly gain so far under Trump is 191,000 jobs. During the last 35 months under Obama, employers were adding an average of 227,000 jobs a month."
https://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/local/business/how-trump-s-three-years-of-job-gains-compares-to/article_c2934e96-ee56-5e06-bdb1-65688c6563a9.html
07 Feb 20
@earl-of-trumps saidHere's the real facts:
The biggest liberal states with the highest minimum wage are leaving those states in higher numbers than others. Job killers.
Your "create something out of nothing" liberal legislation SUCKS
"But in the 26 states that lifted their base wages at least once from 2013 to 2018 — real or inflation-adjusted — median hourly pay rose 3.8% from the end of the recession in 2009 through 2018, according to a NELP analysis of Labor Department data. In the 24 states without a minimum wage hike, real median pay fell half a percentage point, the NELP figures show.
That trend appeared to continue in Trump's administration. From May 2017 to May 2018, the latest data available, real wages rose 2.4% for the bottom fifth of workers in states with minimum wage increases versus 0.26% for such workers in states that kept their pay floors unchanged."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/02/07/minimum-wage-2020-trumps-blue-collar-boom-due-higher-pay-floors/4682939002/
So basically almost all the gains in low-income worker wages in the last few years is attributable to minimum wage increases in "liberal" States, not any of the pro-rich machinations of the Trump administration.
07 Feb 20
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@old-indian saidyes i am.
@Very-Rusty
yes i am.
poor parents who couldnt afford kids
but still had manx.
Something we agree upon, "your parents are idiots." Had to be to raise an idiot as you.
07 Feb 20
@no1marauder saidThank you to everyone for your studied responses and answers to my question which I posed. But, please reread the question, as it is obvious that $20 an hour, being a living wage for our 18-year-old, is not enough money for our coworker who has four children. So when the phrase “living wage” is thrown around, a set amount works for one person but not for another.
Here's the real facts:
"But in the 26 states that lifted their base wages at least once from 2013 to 2018 — real or inflation-adjusted — median hourly pay rose 3.8% from the end of the recession in 2009 through 2018, according to a NELP analysis of Labor Department data. In the 24 states without a minimum wage hike, real median pay fell half a percentage point, the NEL ...[text shortened]... age increases in "liberal" States, not any of the pro-rich machinations of the Trump administration.
Query.... Should Walmart pay a larger amount to the man with four children while he is doing the same job as the 18-year-old.? To put another way, is Walmart paying the job, or paying the person?
07 Feb 20
@averagejoe1 saidI'm not interested in your question and didn't use the term "living wage".
Thank you to everyone for your studied responses and answers to my question which I posed. But, please reread the question, as it is obvious that $20 an hour, being a living wage for our 18-year-old, is not enough money for our coworker who has four children. So when the phrase “living wage” is thrown around, a set amount works for one person but not for another.
Query ...[text shortened]... e same job as the 18-year-old.? To put another way, is Walmart paying the job, or paying the person?
Beyond a minimum wage, employers can pay whatever they and their employees agree to. If that winds up to be insufficient for certain persons because of their circumstances, then the government should address that by social welfare policies.
@averagejoe1 saidWho the f* gets paid 20 bucks an hour at 18 years old?!
If I am 18 , single, and working Walmart $20/hr , that is about $38K annual. Certainly can be ‘lived on’, “ I think.
He works side by side with Leon, who is married, with 4 I children...$38k annual..
Let us discuss ‘living wage’ as respects these 2 hard workers.
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/walmart-wages-are-the-main-reason-people-depend-on-food-stamps/
@no1marauder saidMy response was thanking all posters, ThousandYoung had said ‘living wage’ , prompting this excellent question! Libs absolutely cannot define living wage when 2 guys of diff circumstances have identical jobs.
I'm not interested in your question and didn't use the term "living wage".
Beyond a minimum wage, employers can pay whatever they and their employees agree to. If that winds up to be insufficient for certain persons because of their circumstances, then the government should address that by social welfare policies.
The govt has nothing to do with the contract establishing a wage . As a socialist , which you are, wanting the ole govt-control gambit, you can’t conceive of a private contract.
Maybe the govt can create welfare for that worker when y’all take over in 2024, but that is not the subject of this thread. Libs do get off course, wouldn’t you agree.?
Why don’t socialists in the US move to socialist countries where they can live under socialism ? If they are lucky, they could be like Bernie, actually BE a socialist, and have 3 houses.
Seriously, why not move there.?
07 Feb 20
@averagejoe1 saidYour posts are getting to be more and more tiresome, Joe. Running out of ideas?
My response was thanking all posters, ThousandYoung had said ‘living wage’ , prompting this excellent question! Libs absolutely cannot define living wage when 2 guys of diff circumstances have identical jobs.
The govt has nothing to do with the contract establishing a wage . As a socialist , which you are, wanting the ole govt-control gambit, you can’t conceive of ...[text shortened]... could be like Bernie, actually BE a socialist, and have 3 houses.
Seriously, why not move there.?
@earl-of-trumps saidWhat about farmers? What about farm bankruptcies? What about farmer suicides?
Here we go: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/07/us-nonfarm-payrolls-january-2019.html
Nonfarm payrolls surged 225,000 for the month, well above Wall Street estimates for a 158,000 gain.
The unemployment rate ticked higher to 3.6%, but for the right reason as the labor force participation rate increased 0.2 percentage points to 63.4%, matching its highest level since J ...[text shortened]... accept democrat WELFARE when they can earn $28.44 an hour????
LOL! See you in November, toolies.
The situation is bleak for those whom Trump promised would prosper under his tariffs.
Actually the opposite has happened. Farm bankruptcies and farmer suicides are spiking BECAUSE of Trump's tariffs.
See you in November, indeed.
07 Feb 20
@earl-of-trumps said"Average" wage just means some people (owner's son usually) get paid a lot and that brings up the calculated average. It does not mean everyone gets paid the average!
Here we go: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/07/us-nonfarm-payrolls-january-2019.html
Nonfarm payrolls surged 225,000 for the month, well above Wall Street estimates for a 158,000 gain.
The unemployment rate ticked higher to 3.6%, but for the right reason as the labor force participation rate increased 0.2 percentage points to 63.4%, matching its highest level since J ...[text shortened]... accept democrat WELFARE when they can earn $28.44 an hour????
LOL! See you in November, toolies.