Obama betrays his supporters

Originally posted by no1marauder
Of course the health care bill (universal coverage was something Democrats had sought for 60 or so years). There was some stimulus spending. The higher earners got some tax increases. Those are just off the top of my head; I'm sure people who actually voted for Obama could come up with more.

The affordable health care act was passed, but I still have no health insurance. We can have a discussion about this accomplishment next year when it is supposed to go into effect. If it goes into effect I will call it a true accomplishment. Until then I have no health care.

Stimulus spending was a GW Bush policy. Obama just continued that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008

Lower earners got some tax increases too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/president-obamas-unspoken-payroll-tax-increases/2012/07/25/gJQArLRq9W_blog.html

If my memory serves me correctly you voted for the Green Party candidate. Assuming this is true, why do you tend to defend Obama? Even his domestic agenda has had few accomplishments.

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-kept/

You can also sort by in-the-works, compromise, and promise broken (many of which were attempted but failed to get through congress)

Does anybody remember those promises kept on the list from that link? I don't. All the important promises he made were broken.

I still don't see a significant difference in Obama and Bush. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
The affordable health care act was passed, but I still have no health insurance. We can have a discussion about this accomplishment next year when it is supposed to go into effect. If it goes into effect I will call it a true accomplishment. Until then I have no health care.

Stimulus spending was a GW Bush policy. Obama just continued that.

http:/ ...[text shortened]... is true, why do you tend to defend Obama? Even his domestic agenda has had few accomplishments.

Bush was President February of 2009?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009

Also, did you actually READ the second link? Obama's "tax increase" amounts to reverting back to PRE-Obama rates IF Congress doesn't act to extend the payroll tax CUTS that were, in fact, enacted under President Obama.

In short, worst case scenario payroll taxes will end up being no higher than when Obama took office.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
Does anybody remember those promises kept on the list from that link? I don't. All the important promises he made were broken.

I still don't see a significant difference in Obama and Bush. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I guess it depends on what's important to you. Many of them, such as getting out of Iraq, were important to me.

You probably don't remember any of them because you're too busy reading anti-Obama tripe from right-wing rags.

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
Bush was President February of 2009?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009

Also, did you actually READ the second link? Obama's "tax increase" amounts to reverting back to PRE-Obama rates IF Congress doesn't act to extend the payroll tax CUTS that were, in fact, enacted under President Obama.

In short, worst case scenario payroll taxes will end up being no higher than when Obama took office.

2008. Can't you read?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
I guess it depends on what's important to you. Many of them, such as getting out of Iraq, were important to me.

You probably don't remember any of them because you're too busy reading anti-Obama tripe from right-wing rags.

It is ironic that you are accusing me of not remembering and reading biased right wing rags. You are obviously guilty of the very things you accuse me of.

Obama did not not get out of Iraq when he said he would. He got out later adhering to the timeline for withdrawal that G.W. Bush set while he was still president. It appears you have been too busy reading left-wing misinformation.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
2008. Can't you read?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008

When people refer to stimulus spending under Obama they're speaking about the one Obama actually passed.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA) (Pub.L. 111–5) and commonly referred to as the Stimulus or The Recovery Act, was an economic stimulus package enacted by the 111th United States Congress in February 2009 and signed into law on February 17, 2009, by President Barack Obama.

And again, your example was NOT an example of an Obama tax increase on the poor or middle class.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
It is ironic that you are accusing me of not remembering and reading biased right wing rags. You are obviously guilty of the very things you accuse me of.

Obama did not not get out of Iraq when he said he would. He got out later adhering to the timeline for withdrawal that G.W. Bush set while he was still president. It appears you have been too busy reading left-wing misinformation.

Actually he did, in the exact timeline he promised

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/125/direct-military-leaders-to-end-war-in-iraq/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/126/begin-removing-combat-brigades-from-iraq/

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
Actually he did, in the exact timeline he promised

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/125/direct-military-leaders-to-end-war-in-iraq/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/126/begin-removing-combat-brigades-from-iraq/

Are you sure?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/02/25/reality-on-the-ground.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/us/politics/04military.html?_r=0

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-503765_162-4833153.html

http://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles/SOFA-11-19-08.pdf

Originally posted by Metal Brain
Are you sure?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/02/25/reality-on-the-ground.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/us/politics/04military.html?_r=0

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-503765_162-4833153.html

http://usiraq.procon.org/sourcefiles/SOFA-11-19-08.pdf

Holy crap. Do you even read your own links.

1st link from Fed 2009, obviously before his 16 month deadline to have combat troops out.
"So Obama's decision to withdraw most U.S. troops from Iraq by next year reflects another truth of American governance: midterm elections matter. If, by November 2010, Obama can say that all American combat brigades are out of Iraq, he can claim a pledge fulfilled"

2nd link: Was written before he even took office.

3rd link: Written July 2009 (before deadline) opining he MIGHT not meet deadline.

4th link: Status of forces agreement, reached AFTER Obama became the President Elect.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
The affordable health care act was passed, but I still have no health insurance. We can have a discussion about this accomplishment next year when it is supposed to go into effect. If it goes into effect I will call it a true accomplishment. Until then I have no health care.

Stimulus spending was a GW Bush policy. Obama just continued that.

http:/ ...[text shortened]... is true, why do you tend to defend Obama? Even his domestic agenda has had few accomplishments.

Delaying the implementation of the health care reform until 2013 was one of the many dumb things in the law. Still in January 2013 tens of millions of Americans will get health insurance who wouldn't have if prior policies had been adhered to. For all his and the law's faults, this is a true accomplishment that even as popular a President as Clinton didn't achieve (it is, of course, ironic that what was passed was very similar to the Republican alternative in 1993).

I defend Obama when I think he is right and criticize him when he is wrong. His foreign policy is very similar to Bush's disastrous one and he was too timid and somewhat misdirected even when the Democrats controlled the House. Still some of his policies have had beneficial effects.

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
Holy crap. Do you even read your own links.

1st link from Fed 2009, obviously before his 16 month deadline to have combat troops out.
"So Obama's decision to withdraw most U.S. troops from Iraq by next year reflects another truth of American governance: midterm elections matter. If, by November 2010, Obama can say that all American combat briga ...[text shortened]... ine.

4th link: Status of forces agreement, reached AFTER Obama became the President Elect.

We both know that Obama wanted to leave a residual force of up to 20,000 men but the Iraqi government rejected it. His withdrawal policy was little different from the Bush administration policy in 2008. And he actually expanded the troop presence in Afghanistan senselessly increasing deaths among both combatants and civilians for no effect.

Originally posted by no1marauder
We both know that Obama wanted to leave a residual force of up to 20,000 men but the Iraqi government rejected it. His withdrawal policy was little different from the Bush administration policy in 2008. And he actually expanded the troop presence in Afghanistan senselessly increasing deaths among both combatants and civilians for no effect.

Saying "we both know" doesn't magically add validity to your statement.

Right. His withdraw policy (that he campaigned on) was little different from the status of forces agreement that was signed after Obama had already won the election.

And yes, Obama kept his promise to increase our troop presence in Afghanistan.

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
Saying "we both know" doesn't magically add validity to your statement.

Right. His withdraw policy (that he campaigned on) was little different from the status of forces agreement that was signed after Obama had already won the election.

And yes, Obama kept his promise to increase our troop presence in Afghanistan.

That SOF was being negotiated before the election along the lines finally agreed to. Pretending otherwise doesn't add validity to your argument.

Obama's promising to expand the war in Afghanistan was hardly a laudatory act. Keeping a promise that you know will result in thousands of additional deaths isn't as praiseworthy as you think it is.

EDIT: In fact the agreement was reached prior to the November 2008 election though not ratified by the Iraqi parliament until shortly afterwards:

On October 16, 2008, after several more months of negotiations, U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice briefed senior U.S. lawmakers on the draft SOFA, and Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki prepared to circulate it with Iraq's Political National Security Council before going on to the Council of Ministers and the Iraqi parliament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

Originally posted by no1marauder
That SOF was being negotiated before the election along the lines finally agreed to. Pretending otherwise doesn't add validity to your argument.

Obama's promising to expand the war in Afghanistan was hardly a laudatory act. Keeping a promise that you know will result in thousands of additional deaths isn't as praiseworthy as you think it is.

I see, and you're privy to what was being discussed prior to the 2008 campaign?

The disagreement here is over whether Obama kept his campaign promises. So far you haven't refuted my example of a promise he kept.