Obama intends election interference

@metal-brain said
What are you talking about? The DNC was an inside job. We have been over this before. That was determined by former NSA agents.

https://www.thenation.com/article/a-new-report-raises-big-questions-about-last-years-dnc-hack/

The whistleblower exposed election meddling. Exposing election meddling is NOT election meddling. If it is you have to acknowledge your singing ...[text shortened]... meddling. It is called a great service to our country and you are being an ingrate and a hypocrite.

Yes, we've went all over your nutjob conspiracy theory before. You remain idiotic enough to believe it.

Putin and his military aren't "whistleblowers" doing the US a valuable service no matter how many times you stupidly say so.

@metal-brain said
Who said election interference is always illegal. Debbie Wasserman Schultz interfered in the elections and she was never charged with a crime.

Obama is not supporting anyone. He is against Sanders. You need to know the difference between supporting and opposing.

"Exactly what Sanders said he will do to Joe Manchin."

I have never heard of that. What is your source?

"Obama is not supporting anyone. He is against Sanders. You need to know the difference between supporting and opposing."
ah, there is the slow intellect we were accustomed to. He is not supporting anyone NOW. He circulated the idea that should Bernie be even more of a problem (as if he isn't a threat now) he will try and stop him THEN. By obviously endorsing a different candidate. Obama is not a drunk hobo that will scream "Bernie bad" wherever he goes. He will campaign properly.

"I have never heard of that. What is your source?"
let me google that for you:
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/29/joe-manchin-bernie-sanders-support-061370
In his interview with CNBC, Sanders argued Manchin would support his policy plans because he would take his message to West Virginia. Sanders won the Democratic primary in West Virginia in 2016.

“Your average politician sits around and he or she thinks, ‘Let’s see. If I do this, I’m going to have the big money interests putting 30-second ads against me,'” Sanders told CNBC. “But now, they’re going to have to think, ‘If I don’t support an agenda that works for working people, I’m going to have President Sanders coming to my state and rallying working-class people.’”

@earl-of-trumps said
@Zahlanzi

"Obama is a private citizen expressing his desire to campaign for or against a candidate, that's his right. "

Let me see if I have this correctly: Obama can express his opinion of a given candidate without interfering with the election but a bunch of Ruskies can't tell the Americans that Hilary and the DNC cheated in the primary election because that would be "interference with an election".

We don't want meddling in our elections!

"Obama can express his opinion of a given candidate without interfering with the election but a bunch of Ruskies can't tell the Americans that Hilary and the DNC cheated in the primary election because that would be "interference with an election"."
Heh it's adorable that you think this idiotic framing will distract me or anyone else.

A bunch of ruskies didn't just post on the internet who they support like I, a romanian, do. A bunch of ruskies in the employ of Kremlin went to a potential presidential candidate and his idiot son, in private, and told him "i have dirt on your opponent, now i am not saying you will owe us something, but some gratitude will go a long way"


Not sure if you can't see the difference between what Obama is doing and what Trump did (if you're really that dumb) or you're trolling, but i won't really lose any sleep over it.

@no1marauder said
Yes, we've went all over your nutjob conspiracy theory before. You remain idiotic enough to believe it.

Putin and his military aren't "whistleblowers" doing the US a valuable service no matter how many times you stupidly say so.

The whistleblower exposed election meddling. Exposing election meddling is NOT election meddling. If it is you have to acknowledge your singing cockroach is election meddling.

You cannot have it both ways. Exposing election meddling is not election meddling. That is whistleblowing.

A whistle blower is anyone who exposes wrongdoing. Election meddling by DWS is a wrongdoing and Seth Rich or whoever leaked the DNC election meddling is a whistle blower, even if it was a foreign nation like Russia. Look up whistle blower in the dictionary. You are wrong.

Yours is the nutjob conspiracy theory. I have evidence to back up my claims, you have nothing but a false narrative. Fiona Hill is a liar who has embarrassed all who believed her lies. Throw her under the bus before she makes you all look stupid for believing her.

@zahlanzi said
"Obama is not supporting anyone. He is against Sanders. You need to know the difference between supporting and opposing."
ah, there is the slow intellect we were accustomed to. He is not supporting anyone NOW. He circulated the idea that should Bernie be even more of a problem (as if he isn't a threat now) he will try and stop him THEN. By obviously endorsing a different ...[text shortened]... people, I’m going to have President Sanders coming to my state and rallying working-class people.’”

You said this:

"He isn't talking about supporting a candidate so much as talking about opposing one"
Exactly what Sanders said he will do to Joe Manchin. Which i 100% support.

Nothing in the Politico article you posted say what you claim.

Why does Obama have a problem with Sanders? Democrats are basically supposed to be moderate socialists. To a socialist I suppose they would be considered moderate republicans. When Obama says he doesn't want a socialist to win the nomination he looks like a far right republican close to a Nazi. Maybe that is what he really is.

"Not sure if you can't see the difference between what Obama is doing and what Trump did (if you're really that dumb) or you're trolling, but i won't really lose any sleep over it."

I never said or even impied there wasn't a difference between what Obama is doing and what Trump did. If you are dumb enough to make that false assumption I won't lose any sleep over it.

If Obama has a problem with Bernie Sanders he should explain exactly why. He cannot do it without coming across as a Nazi. What is he going to say, medicare for all is horrible and his republican health care plan is better? Is he going to say we should bring back the individual mandate? LOL!

The only reason republicans did not embrace Obama for his policies is because he is a man of color.

@metal-brain said
You said this:

"He isn't talking about supporting a candidate so much as talking about opposing one"
Exactly what Sanders said he will do to Joe Manchin. Which i 100% support.

Nothing in the Politico article you posted say what you claim.

Why does Obama have a problem with Sanders? Democrats are basically supposed to be moderate socialists. To a socialist I sup ...[text shortened]...
The only reason republicans did not embrace Obama for his policies is because he is a man of color.

"Nothing in the Politico article you posted say what you claim."
That's because you are incapable of understanding more from a text than is explicitly said.

Sanders said:
"I’m going to have President Sanders coming to my state and rallying working-class people.’”"
Someone with an average intelligence would then deduce that he won't just stop at one rally and just give up. He will ask people to put pressure on Manchin and if that won't work he will use the same rallied working-class people to not vote Manchin and support a different candidate

"Why does Obama have a problem with Sanders?"
He has money and he has friends with money. He sold out long ago.

"I never said or even impied there wasn't a difference between what Obama is doing and what Trump did."
You did, in the very first post. But, again, to understand that it would mean you have some intelligence to understand implications of your words, not just their literal meaning. By saying "if a foreign country did that" you are implying that what obama plans to do and what putin did are pretty much the same, because you are asking where is the outrage at what Obama is doing. Feel free to backpedal though and clearly state you don't think what Obama is doing is the same thing as what Putin did.

"If Obama has a problem with Bernie Sanders he should explain exactly why."
Yeah, like that will happen. It's funny that you need Obama to explain why. To us it's obvious.

"He cannot do it without coming across as a Nazi"
You have no idea what nazi means if you're using it here.

@zahlanzi said
"Nothing in the Politico article you posted say what you claim."
That's because you are incapable of understanding more from a text than is explicitly said.

Sanders said:
"I’m going to have President Sanders coming to my state and rallying working-class people.’”"
Someone with an average intelligence would then deduce that he won't just stop at one rally and just give ...[text shortened]... ot do it without coming across as a Nazi"
You have no idea what nazi means if you're using it here.

"Sanders said:
"I’m going to have President Sanders coming to my state and rallying working-class people.’”"
Someone with an average intelligence would then deduce that he won't just stop at one rally and just give up. He will ask people to put pressure on Manchin and if that won't work he will use the same rallied working-class people to not vote Manchin and support a different candidate"

No, it doesn't. It doesn't even make sense. Why would Sanders say he would have himself come to his state? That excerpt doesn't even have Manchin's name in it. You are silly.

@metal-brain said
"Sanders said:
"I’m going to have President Sanders coming to my state and rallying working-class people.’”"
Someone with an average intelligence would then deduce that he won't just stop at one rally and just give up. He will ask people to put pressure on Manchin and if that won't work he will use the same rallied working-class people to not vote Manchin and support a ...[text shortened]... have himself come to his state? That excerpt doesn't even have Manchin's name in it. You are silly.

"No, it doesn't."

"It doesn't even make sense. Why would Sanders say he would have himself come to his state?"
To use his popularity and get the people to vote against Manchin? How is this a hard concept?

"That excerpt doesn't even have Manchin's name in it. "
You have to bloody read between the lines. And the entire article. And know the context in which it was made. And to piece some things together yourself, to know if someone is lying/hiding something from you. You have to work for your information, instead of being told what to think by whomever you spoke at you last.

Of bloody course Sanders won't mention Manchin directly. He is being diplomatic. He is dropping hints of what he is going to do and not just Manchin but everyone who will not support his progressive agenda. He is basically putting them on notice, letting them know what he is prepared to do and giving them a future way out.

@zahlanzi said
"No, it doesn't."

"It doesn't even make sense. Why would Sanders say he would have himself come to his state?"
To use his popularity and get the people to vote against Manchin? How is this a hard concept?

"That excerpt doesn't even have Manchin's name in it. "
You have to bloody read between the lines. And the entire article. And know the context in which it was mad ...[text shortened]... utting them on notice, letting them know what he is prepared to do and giving them a future way out.

"You have to bloody read between the lines. And the entire article. And know the context in which it was made. And to piece some things together yourself, to know if someone is lying/hiding something from you. You have to work for your information, instead of being told what to think by whomever you spoke at you last."

I read the article. It doesn't say what you claim. You cannot even provide a proper excerpt to show what you claim.

Obama has not endorsed any of the candidates. If he doesn't intend to sink the socialist just for the sake of suppressing socialism he should endorse a candidate now. What if Sanders wins the nomination anyway? Will he endorse Trump? Does the self proclaimed democrat hate socialism that much?

@metal-brain said
"You have to bloody read between the lines. And the entire article. And know the context in which it was made. And to piece some things together yourself, to know if someone is lying/hiding something from you. You have to work for your information, instead of being told what to think by whomever you spoke at you last."

I read the article. It doesn't say what you claim. ...[text shortened]... omination anyway? Will he endorse Trump? Does the self proclaimed democrat hate socialism that much?

"I read the article. It doesn't say what you claim. You cannot even provide a proper excerpt to show what you claim."
Well if it wasn't clear from that article what Sanders intends to do to Manchin and anyone else voting against medicare for all or other progressive issues, you are clearly unable to comprehend anything more advanced than Dr Seuss. Maybe some good nursery rhymes . Try reading the ingredients of a pack of rice. Have some practice.

" should endorse a candidate now"
He doesn't want to do that because he is a pragmatic politician. He doesn't want to tie himself to the sinking ship that is Biden and supporting any other will torpedo Biden for good.

It's always fun when Republicans with 0 knowledge of politics try to advise democrats on strategy. Kinda like a particularly dumb fox trying to tell hen they would be better off sleeping outside the chicken coop

"What if Sanders wins the nomination anyway? "
His point us to stop that from happening. After that it will be too late