01 Jun 14
Originally posted by finneganHow about not borrowing the money, and not spending it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
2013 military spending:
US $640bn
China $180bn
Russia $ 88bn
Just how much is enough?
If reduced to just match the combined China and Russia figure of $268bn the US could save something like $372bn? ($372,000,000) What could be done with a sum like that? Anything ...[text shortened]... a psychoanalyst is one possibility. Well - all the nutcases who are not actually psychoanalysts.
01 Jun 14
Originally posted by vivifyThe snipers on the Whitehouse roof are Secret Service. Marine pilots run the Helo to Camp David, and I presume an Air Force pilot flies AF1.
Only if this happens without warning. But if the secret service found out say, a week in advance, then I don't see it as implausible that the military would be contacted to defend the president (assuming he's not simply moved to a different location).
Historically, armed forces were used around DC in the war of 1812, and twice when the Confederacy moved north of the Potomac.
Those were in response to armies, not armed citizens.
01 Jun 14
Originally posted by normbenignGotcha. Thanks for that bit of info.
The snipers on the Whitehouse roof are Secret Service. Marine pilots run the Helo to Camp David, and I presume an Air Force pilot flies AF1.
Historically, armed forces were used around DC in the war of 1812, and twice when the Confederacy moved north of the Potomac.
Those were in response to armies, not armed citizens.
01 Jun 14
Originally posted by EladarYawn...yeah, I see thousands of people who don't agree with President Obama's ideas being rounded up by the Army and Marines! Why don't you save these silly stories of yours for the tabloids. They'd fit right in next to the latest news about the giant orange frogs invading Cleveland.😴
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/may/28/inside-the-ring-directive-outlines-obamas-policy-t/
[b]“This appears to be the latest step in the administration’s decision to use force within the United States against its citizens,” said a defense official opposed to the directive.
Directive No. 3025.18, “Defense Support of Civil Authorities,” was issue ...[text shortened]... y under this directive.”
It took Obama to determine that such a directive is necessary.[/b]
01 Jun 14
Originally posted by bill718I don't think this decree will be used by Obama. Each President simply pushes things a bit further in the direction which the people who fund them want it to be moved.
Yawn...yeah, I see thousands of people who don't agree with President Obama's ideas being rounded up by the Army and Marines! Why don't you save these silly stories of yours for the tabloids. They'd fit right in next to the latest news about the giant orange frogs invading Cleveland.😴
Just as Clinton kicked the American people off much of Federal land and Bush did nothing to undo it, no President will undo Obama's decree.
01 Jun 14
Originally posted by bill718http://trekohio.com/2012/03/17/ohio-frogs-toads/
Yawn...yeah, I see thousands of people who don't agree with President Obama's ideas being rounded up by the Army and Marines! Why don't you save these silly stories of yours for the tabloids. They'd fit right in next to the latest news about the giant orange frogs invading Cleveland.😴
Just thought I'd check. You never know!
01 Jun 14
Originally posted by normbenignignoring for a moment that the insane budget has nothing to do with borrowing money,
How about not borrowing the money, and not spending it?
obama has the lowest spending since reagan's first term. including reagan's first term.
clinton left your country in peachy shape. then came bush and got into 2 wars, gave tax cuts to the rich, a little war on drugs and paid for none of them.
and now people like you blame obama for bush's spending and debt. how da fuk do americans like you work? i can't seem to find the manual.
let me repeat myself though: bush's debt has nothing at all to do with your idiotic military budget.
02 Jun 14
Originally posted by ZahlanziObama has lowest spending since Reagan?
ignoring for a moment that the insane budget has nothing to do with borrowing money,
obama has the lowest spending since reagan's first term. including reagan's first term.
clinton left your country in peachy shape. then came bush and got into 2 wars, gave tax cuts to the rich, a little war on drugs and paid for none of them.
and now people l ...[text shortened]... me repeat myself though: bush's debt has nothing at all to do with your idiotic military budget.
Are you really that stupid or are you just delusional?
Both presidents increased the national debt according to statistical data from the U.S. Treasury. On January 20, 2001 when President Bush took office, the total national debt stood at $5.7 trillion. Eight years later on January 20, 2009 the debt had risen to $10.6 trillion.
During President Obama’s first term the debt increased to $16.4 trillion on January 20, 2013. This means that under Obama, the debt had increased by $5.8 trillion in four years as opposed to President Bush’s increase of $4.9 trillion over eight years.
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-v-bush-on-spending-debt-and-growth-of-government
02 Jun 14
Originally posted by Eladarhttp://www.usgovernmentspending.com/past_spending
Obama has lowest spending since Reagan?
Are you really that stupid or are you just delusional?
[b]Both presidents increased the national debt according to statistical data from the U.S. Treasury. On January 20, 2001 when President Bush took office, the total national debt stood at $5.7 trillion. Eight years later on January 20, 2009 the debt had risen t ...[text shortened]...
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-v-bush-on-spending-debt-and-growth-of-government[/b]
This graph shows US federal spending peaking around 2008 and then dropping below Reagan-era levels, although spending is still higher than around 2000. The increase in debt is mostly related to a drop in revenue.
02 Jun 14
Originally posted by KazetNagorraAre you talking about spending or spending as a percent of GDP?
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/past_spending
This graph shows US federal spending peaking around 2008 and then dropping below Reagan-era levels, although spending is still higher than around 2000. The increase in debt is mostly related to a drop in revenue.
Spending is actual dollars, not in comparison to the economy.
Originally posted by EladarSurely even you can see that spending as a percentage of GDP is more relevant than the amount of dollars? Otherwise the easy "solution" to the debt woes would be rebasing the currency.
Are you talking about spending or spending as a percent of GDP?
Spending is actual dollars, not in comparison to the economy.
02 Jun 14
Originally posted by KazetNagorraIf I meant spending as a percentage of GDP, I'd qualify it with 'as a percentage of GDP'.
Surely even you can see that spending as a percentage of GDP is more relevant than the amount of dollars? Otherwise the easy "solution" to the debt woes would be rebasing the currency.
The easy solution to debt spending is to cut spending.
02 Jun 14
Originally posted by Eladarhttp://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
Obama has lowest spending since Reagan?
Are you really that stupid or are you just delusional?
[b]Both presidents increased the national debt according to statistical data from the U.S. Treasury. On January 20, 2001 when President Bush took office, the total national debt stood at $5.7 trillion. Eight years later on January 20, 2009 the debt had risen t ...[text shortened]...
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-v-bush-on-spending-debt-and-growth-of-government[/b]
Originally posted by ZahlanziGrowth of spending? You think that equals spending? As I said, either delusional or stupid.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
In all fairness I can see why you are easily duped, it is something you want to believe.
03 Jun 14
Originally posted by EladarNobody thought Bill Clinton would use Delta Force and the FBI to incinerate 80 Americans holed up in a church in Texas either.
I don't think this decree will be used by Obama. Each President simply pushes things a bit further in the direction which the people who fund them want it to be moved.
Just as Clinton kicked the American people off much of Federal land and Bush did nothing to undo it, no President will undo Obama's decree.