Obamacare exemption

Originally posted by whodey
We hear time after time people wanting and sometimes getting exemptions to opt out of Obamacare. However, the biggest joke of all are those who forced it down our throats and then opted out themselves.

Who here defends this action?

Also, how has Congress defended this decision, or do they even give a damn?

Not only congress but their staff as well. My congress woman 'louise Slaugter' was asked why her and her staff should be exempt. I don't have her answer verbatim but she basically danced around the question and said that they have always had a 'premium' health care package, paid for by the tax payer. I say that if it's such a good piece of legislation there would and should be no exemptions for anyone. A real good argument for term limits. If they knew they couldn't live and then retire off of the tax payers, their actions might actually be geared toward the citizens.

Originally posted by whodey
We hear time after time people wanting and sometimes getting exemptions to opt out of Obamacare. However, the biggest joke of all are those who forced it down our throats and then opted out themselves.

Who here defends this action?

Also, how has Congress defended this decision, or do they even give a damn?

Europe has had universal healthcare since the nineteen thirties, what will it take to drag you into the twenty-first century, you are living in the past, its not 1864!

Originally posted by joe beyser
It is predicted there will be massive Identity theft with this program as well.

It has also been predicted the universe will implode after Obamacare comes into effect.

Originally posted by whodey
This is an admission that the policy is poo.

Is America that stupid?

Yes, America is that stupid.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Europe has had universal healthcare since the nineteen thirties, what will it take to drag you into the twenty-first century, you are living in the past, its not 1864!

Europe has had such successful economic growth. Europe has had the US funding its defense forces so that Europe could have more money to put into healthcare. Even without having to spend as much money on defense Europe is still going further and further into debt.

Originally posted by JS357
This was the idea behind the conservative personal responsibility movement that Romneycare implemented. It was acceptable, until Obama liked it.

I don't know what you are talking about. This thread is about Congress, and others being excluded from the strictures of the ACA.

If it is so good, why didn't Congress jump on board instead of getting themselves excluded? Why are FOO (friends of Obama) in big business, and unions getting excluded? The first question is almost rhetorical, and the second's answer is that even Obama and Baukus recognize that the scramble produced by employers either moving people to under 30 hours, or reducing employee counts under 50 will be disastrous to the economy, especially the main street wage earner economy.

Delaying the employer mandate puts that past the midterm elections, and they hope defuses a possible blowup of the labor coalition, as well as significant loss of middle class and poor voters.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Europe has had universal healthcare since the nineteen thirties, what will it take to drag you into the twenty-first century, you are living in the past, its not 1864!

Depends on how you define success.

Originally posted by normbenign
Depends on how you define success.

The US spends (by far) more on healthcare per capita than any other country for lower quality care, and we still have tens of millions uninsured.

That leaves little room for subjectivity.

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
The US spends (by far) more on healthcare per capita than any other country for lower quality care, and we still have tens of millions uninsured.

That leaves little room for subjectivity.

"lower quality care " than any other country ?🙄

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
The US spends (by far) more on healthcare per capita than any other country for lower quality care, and we still have tens of millions uninsured.

That leaves little room for subjectivity.

That claim is subjective in every respect.

First, the US system has already been polluted since the 60s with single payor Medicare and Medicaid, and since the mid 40s with employer paid insurance which has been tax deductible, unlike wages or profits earned by entrepreneurs.

Lower quality is seriously questionable. Every system includes some means of denying care to some people. Who does the denying, delaying or limiting is the question. Who slip through the cracks of a centrally controlled government system are different from those in a true free market system.

Our system leaves some listed as uninsured, although in effect they aren't denied treatment. The truly inefficient and expensive parts of the US health care system are those that are already single payor.

Another question not answered by your presumptions is where innovation in health care comes from.

Originally posted by utherpendragon
"lower quality care " than any other country ?🙄

Oh, my bad. The US is #38 in quality of healthcare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems

So to recap, the United States:

- Is the ONLY country in the civilized world that doesn't cover everyone

- Spends more than any other country on healthcare (by FAR), even per capita

- Is one of the worst countries in quality of care.

That changes everything.

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
Oh, my bad. The US is #38 in quality of healthcare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems

So to recap, the United States:

- Is the ONLY country in the civilized world that doesn't cover everyone

- Spends more than any other country on healthcare (by FAR), even per capita

- Is one of the worst countries in quality of care.

That changes everything.

We are arguing over symantics here, I believe.
I agree that our health insurance system has run amok and prices are outrageous. But as far as the quality of the care and expertise of the physicians goes, it is top notch.
Lets say (god forbid) one of your children or spouse had a terminal illness, or needed some complicated surgey would you send them out of the U.S. for treatment ?
I highly doubt it.

Originally posted by utherpendragon
We are arguing over symantics here, I believe.
I agree that our health insurance system has run amok and prices are outrageous. But as far as the quality of the care and expertise of the physicians goes, it is top notch.
Lets say (god forbid) one of your children or spouse had a terminal illness, or needed some complicated surgey would you send them out of the U.S. for treatment ?
I highly doubt it.

If I were rich and had top notch private insurance, there would be no need to send them elsewhere.

But I would also be very confident in the quality of care in many other countries like France or the UK.

Originally posted by Eladar
Europe has had such successful economic growth. Europe has had the US funding its defense forces so that Europe could have more money to put into healthcare. Even without having to spend as much money on defense Europe is still going further and further into debt.

dude we had two world wars which essentially bankrupted us. What about all the money we had to pay you back for tanks, trucks and bombs?

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
Oh, my bad. The US is #38 in quality of healthcare.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems

So to recap, the United States:

- Is the ONLY country in the civilized world that doesn't cover everyone

- Spends more than any other country on healthcare (by FAR), even per capita

- Is one of the worst countries in quality of care.

That changes everything.

that is astonishing, why?