Optimism on Nigeria's war on poverty

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
This is the only corruption index I could find.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781359.html

The most corrupt countries according to this index are not in Africa.

Um the list has the least corrupt on the top look to the bottom and see Guinea, Chad, Congo, Sudan, equatorial guinea.

Originally posted by Palynka
I'd say five out of the top ten isn't so bad.

I'm certainly not denying there are tremendous corruption problems in Africa...

Originally posted by cheshirecatstevens
Um the list has the least corrupt on the top look to the bottom and see Guinea, Chad, Congo, Sudan, equatorial guinea.

Is Haiti in Africa?

How about Myanmar and Iraq?

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Is Haiti in Africa?

How about Myanmar and Iraq?

So you don't see a concentration of African countries at the bottom of the list? Its true that the worst score isn't in Africa, but this thread is swung to making generalizations about African corruption.

Originally posted by cheshirecatstevens
So you don't see a concentration of African countries at the bottom of the list? Its true that the worst score isn't in Africa, but this thread is swung to making generalizations about African corruption.

Like I said, I don't disagree there is a lot of corruption in Africa. But did you miss this?

Makes you wonder how is it that only African countries have such blatant large scale corruption.

That's what I was responding to.

Originally posted by cheshirecatstevens
So you don't see a concentration of African countries at the bottom of the list? Its true that the worst score isn't in Africa, but this thread is swung to making generalizations about African corruption.

Didn't do a complete count, but almost every country in Africa seems to be in the worst 30 or so.
Notice anything about the best 20?

Originally posted by Palynka
I'd say five out of the top ten isn't so bad.

Tell that to the millions of Africans dying/suffering from hunger, aids, persecution and other ailments.

Here is what the same website has to say. Take some time to read it :

"AFRICA is the most corrupt continent in the world, with Chad the worstoffender and Botswana its cleanest country, according to TransparencyInternational.The watchdog organisation says that out of 44 African nations covered in its2005 corruption perceptions index, 31 of them scored less than three — “asign of rampant corruption” — on a scale of zero to 10.“Africa is the continent with the lowest average in the index,” it says,confirming widespread perceptions that the world’s poorest continent is alsoits most graft ridden.Topping an expanded list on Africa this year as the most corrupt country in thecontinent — and the world — was Chad. It was followed by Nigeria, EquatorialGuinea and Côte d’Ivoire, all with scores of under two."

http://www.transparency.org/content/download/3764/24340/file/www.businessday.co18.19.2005.pdf

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
Didn't do a complete count, but almost every country in Africa seems to be in the worst 30 or so.
Notice anything about the best 20?

The best 20 are all developed high GNP countries with high levels of EDUCATION. Interestingly Trinidad (my home country), has a very educated population. Tertiary education has been basically free here since the 1960s (and compulsory up to age 16). But corruption levels are still high. I guess education and awareness are necessary but not sufficient factors in reducing corruption.

Originally posted by Rajk999
The best 20 are all developed high GNP countries with high levels of EDUCATION. Interestingly Trinidad (my home country), has a very educated population. Tertiary education has been basically free here since the 1960s (and compulsory up to age 16). But corruption levels are still high. I guess education and awareness are necessary but not sufficient factors in reducing corruption.

That's a nice, soft, politically correct observation. Anything else?

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
That's a nice, soft, politically correct observation. Anything else?

Im trying my best to be nice.

Oh yeah, there is more. But its likely to be politically incorrect.

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
Nigeria.....the country where corruption by it's leaders cost ....oh, hell, here's a quote from the article:

"Without seeking to befog you with statistics, corruption has cost us 220 billion pounds ($500 billion) of development assistance that has been stolen from this country since independence by our past leaders.

“That is to say that the money ...[text shortened]... ny better. With all it's oil, they still need a billion/year in aid? What's up with that?

i wonder where they're stashing all that cash ...

Originally posted by Rajk999
Makes you wonder how is it that only African countries have such blatant large scale corruption.

How you reach such conclusions depends on your filter...Corruption in China is massive and iniquitous. Corrupt officials are frequently executed for running slave-labour operations and other edifying activities, but the graft continues.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
I'm certainly not denying there are tremendous corruption problems in Africa...

Sorry, I missed the context. I didn't realize that Raj said "only African countries". Of course that's a ridiculous statement...

Originally posted by Palynka
Sorry, I missed the context. I didn't realize that Raj said "only African countries". Of course that's a ridiculous statement...

Do you think that there is a link between education and corruption? You have to be quite educated to perpetrate white-collar crime, I think.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Do you think that there is a link between education and corruption? You have to be quite educated to perpetrate white-collar crime, I think.

Maybe there is a difference between what causes white collar crime and what causes public officials to be corrupt.