16 Nov 10
Originally posted by WajomaIt means something, and it's quite simple.
If you had been following the conversation you would see what this is about instead of dipping in with one of your witless oneliners.
There is no cure for No1's busybody control freak ways but one thing that can be done is keep the language he uses honest. People dying of treatable disease has been a stock reply, which is ok if it means something, but it ...[text shortened]... sponsibility for their choices and not have the consequences of others choices forced on them.
You have situation A with property X.
You have situation B with property Y.
X < Y
Now you can guess what A, B, X and Y are.
18 Nov 10
Originally posted by no1marauderYou can invent all the stats you like No1, I know they're invented because 92.754% of stats are slanted, biased, cherry picked or just plain old 'made up'.
What percentage of people in Wajomaistan would freely choose to starve to death or die of a treatable disease if they found themselves with insufficient means to pay the going rate for such necessities?
18 Nov 10
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Originally posted by MelanerpesNo one can prove that any more than No1 can prove the opposite. He comes out with this line about 'treatable disease' as if anyone wants people to die from 'treatable disease'. You need to understand, gummint can't give anything it hasn't, in the first instant, taken. So most people are just paying for their own healthcare anyway (after filtering their money through a bunch of gummint buratcracies) Get over this idea that the state 'creates'.
No1 is talking about how government can and does help sick people afford to get treatment that they would otherwise not be able to afford.
In Wajomistan, poor people who got sick would be out of luck unless private charity stepped in to cover them.
Your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to show No1 that even the poorest citizens of Wajomistan ...[text shortened]... ions - or at least more healthcare than they get under the current system or the one No1 favors.
The number of truly helpless people is extremely small, people that become successful, that live independantly sustaining lives against incredible handicaps both physical and mental is proof of that. For that small number voluntary charity will have to be enough, remember that benevolence is another victim of the growing state. This attitude that society owes you something is the truly debilitating disease, No1 and his ilk propagate that disease.
18 Nov 10
Originally posted by WajomaOnce again you are arguing for anarchism when you're not an anarchist. The idea that the state cannot create wealth is at odds with your own assumption that the state is required to maximize wealth (since you claim that protecting against force and fraud creates wealth).
No one can prove that any more than No1 can prove the opposite. He comes out with this line about 'treatable disease' as if anyone wants people to die from 'treatable disease'. You need to understand, gummint can't give anything it hasn't, in the first instant, taken. So most people are just paying for their own healthcare anyway (after filtering their mon ...[text shortened]... you something is the truly debilitating disease, No1 and his ilk propogate that disease.
18 Nov 10
Originally posted by KazetNagorraA bunch of stuff I've never said, people throwing titles around and putting words in my mouth, nothing new there.
Once again you are arguing for anarchism when you're not an anarchist. The idea that the state cannot create wealth is at odds with your own assumption that the state is required to maximize wealth (since you claim that protecting against force and fraud creates wealth).
18 Nov 10
Originally posted by KazetNagorraFine, if someone makes a point that I didn't make then attributes said point to me, I will deny it, you are correct.
Denial and evasion, nothing new there.
If I refuse to address that point because said person pulled it out of their ass, then that might be called evasion, correct agina.
One of your most astute posts yet, kudos extensivityness.
18 Nov 10
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Originally posted by WajomaArgue or imply that all of the facts are slanted or biased. A convenient way to ensure that no one will ever be able to prove that you're wrong.
You can invent all the stats you like No1, I know they're invented because 92.754% of stats are slanted, biased, cherry picked or just plain old 'made up'.
Probably the main reason why the nation's population can keep debating the same stuff and very few people will ever change their position.
18 Nov 10
Originally posted by kmax87Extremely, because you just made it up, or more likely, are just repeating some lefty propoganda that was made up.
YES THEY DO, BUT MUCH MANY MORE DIE WHEN THE STATE DOES NOT INTERVENE>>
How hard is that to comprehend Sherlock?
You blokes think that if there were no state hospitals there'd be a big vacuum?
18 Nov 10
Originally posted by MelanerpesThose aren't facts Mel, so they are debatable.
Argue or imply that all of the facts are slanted or biased. A convenient way to ensure that no one will ever be able to prove that you're wrong.
Probably the main reason why the nation's population can keep debating the same stuff and very few people will ever change their position.
But here is a fact:
You don't have a higher claim on my life than I do myself. Just because you and kmax get together you're combined claim on my life is still not greater than my on personal claim on me.
18 Nov 10
Originally posted by WajomaOh yes, and if there is any fact that would back it up, then of course those facts were made up. Anything that conflicts with your worldview must obviously have been made up.
Extremely, because you just made it up, or more likely, are just repeating some lefty propoganda that was made up.
You blokes think that if there were no state hospitals there'd be a big vacuum?
18 Nov 10
Originally posted by WajomaThat's not a "fact" - that's a "value statement" that you believe. Most people believe otherwise. If you don't like it, you need to find a way to persuade them to change their beliefs.
Those aren't facts Mel, so they are debatable.
But here is a fact:
You don't have a higher claim on my life than I do myself. Just because you and kmax get together you're combined claim on my life is still not greater than my on personal claim on me.
Even something like "murder is wrong" is not a "fact" -- although in this case, it happens to be something almost everyone believes....with exceptions, of course (war, capital punishment, self-defense, insanity, etc).
22 Nov 10
Thought for the day:
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is hard business. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." : Rudyard Kipling (1865--1936)
22 Nov 10
Originally posted by WajomaAre you sure it was Kipling and not Calimero?
Thought for the day:
"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is hard business. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." : Rudyard Kipling (1865--1936)