02 Sep 20
@averagejoe1 saidYes it is the "simplest answer" because it is BS.
OK. Query that running the cities, pension plans, (I cud go on) into the ground is done my misfeasance, malfeasance, nonfeasance, a dash of criminal intent, by the leaders, elected officials.
The desolations you mention that (justifiably) are covered by federal government are brought on by storms, et al , natural causes. You, yourself, cite Covid as a natural di ...[text shortened]... the treasury, and the govt would cover the loss?
This is the simplest answer i can give you.
What is being proposed is aid to cities and States as part of the COVID relief package which has nothing to do with what you are ranting about.
02 Sep 20
@earl-of-trumps saidLarge Corporations got about $500 billion in Fed money because of the COVID crisis and smaller businesses about as much. The rationale was to make up for revenue losses caused by this natural disaster and to save jobs.
I strongly disagree.
Cities are like a corporation only they have a monopoly.
If the people voted in stupid spenders, let them live with it.
It's the same as stockholders of a corp. voting in a CEO that runs the company aground.
no different.
Why wouldn't such a rationale also apply to States and cities?
02 Sep 20
@no1marauder saidIs it COVID induced? Or is it just idiots overspending?
Large Corporations got about $500 billion in Fed money because of the COVID crisis and smaller businesses about as much. The rationale was to make up for revenue losses caused by this natural disaster and to save jobs.
Why wouldn't such a rationale also apply to States and cities?
Depends. Either way, I am not at all a fan of bailouts because of the massive
corruption that could be unfolded in a scheme that people cannot control.
02 Sep 20
@vivify saidBack up a step, you are getting off center. If town council people are duly elected, and they vote to raise taxes by $100 per household to build a community pool, and you dont swim, you dont want the pool, you do not want to pay the taxes..... And in your words, you dont 'respect' the decision, are you saying that you should not have to pay the $100.?
Financial decisions aren't the same as laws everyone has to follow; for example, giving huge tax breaks corporations. A citizen who disagrees with giving large tax breaks to corporations doesn't have to respect that decision.
@no1marauder saidRephrase: If Katrina hits New Orleans, we have government programs that definitely cover those affected by Natural disaster. So, send $100M to New Orleans. (No city government acted improperly).
Yes it is the "simplest answer" because it is BS.
What is being proposed is aid to cities and States as part of the COVID relief package which has nothing to do with what you are ranting about.
NOW< it Covid hits the united states and all of the states are affected, by this natural disaster, we have government programs that definitely cover that natural disaster. EVERY STATE is affected, so every state gets millions of dollars.
I am sure everyone agrees, even you and me. Now, if there are NO natural disasters going on, and the large town of Austin Texas is found to have mismanaged funds, blah blah blah, pensions lost, whatever, do you actually believe that all of the other cities in the country, and its citizens, should cover all the losses incurred by the inept city of Austin? Please, a cogent answer, and no reference to corporate situations are involved, or any other scenarios, let us do this simple scenario first.
Edit: Note that the first para in this thread does not mention Covid, it mentions poorly run cities. Not Covid. Your answer above was about Covid.
@no1marauder saidSee my answer above, which is about Covid......but again, I think that I presented an interesting question on a different subject at the outset. You see, Wolf, he actually said to CHANGE< TO CHANGE! my question, by inserting 'banks and corporations' in lieu of 'cities'. As I was being dumbfounded, like....they Really DO this!...I then saw that YOU switched the subject of this thread to Covid. .
Large Corporations got about $500 billion in Fed money because of the COVID crisis and smaller businesses about as much. The rationale was to make up for revenue losses caused by this natural disaster and to save jobs.
Why wouldn't such a rationale also apply to States and cities?
You are both correct if we are asking if he government should bail out cities suffering Covid, no argument. But what do you think about cities that have been run into the ground and are begging for federal help. It is no different than if I lose $10000 at the roulette table, and ask you, or Vegas City Hall, or Trump, or somebody, to get me back on my feet.
So, what do you think...about cities?
03 Sep 20
@averagejoe1 saidThe OP mentioned Pelosi and the only proposal she has made recently to send aid to cities was as part of the COVID package. Maybe you have been misinformed differently, but that is the fact. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/511400-state-aid-emerges-as-major-hurdle-to-reviving-covid-19-talks
Rephrase: If Katrina hits New Orleans, we have government programs that definitely cover those affected by Natural disaster. So, send $100M to New Orleans. (No city government acted improperly).
NOW< it Covid hits the united states and all of the states are affected, by this natural disaster, we have government programs that definitely cover that natural disaster. ...[text shortened]... es not mention Covid, it mentions poorly run cities. Not Covid. Your answer above was about Covid.
No there are no direct programs to send aid to States and cities because of COVID. That's why Congress needs to enact one.
Thanks for playing.
03 Sep 20
@no1marauder saidYou're welcome. I do wish you and others would not change, or try to change, questions of the issues of other posters. I'm in the middle of a nice chianti and almost overlooked it, which would have rendered any answer of mine undecipherable. 😕
The OP mentioned Pelosi and the only proposal she has made recently to send aid to cities was as part of the COVID package. Maybe you have been misinformed differently, but that is the fact. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/511400-state-aid-emerges-as-major-hurdle-to-reviving-covid-19-talks
No there are no direct programs to send aid to States and cities because of COVID. That's why Congress needs to enact one.
Thanks for playing.
03 Sep 20
Let's start with the BS narrative of this thread, stated as a 'given' in the OP, that Democrat-controlled cities are all poorly run. This is how the idiotic arguments of Donald Trump start out, and they gain traction because the underlying BS 'given' never gets questioned, and so he wins the argument before it begins. I reject your BS 'givens' and so should everyone else here with a brain.
This is how Donald Trump wins, people.
03 Sep 20
@suzianne saidHello, it's AverageJoe. and I was JUST asking Marauder to refrain from changing/altering questions in the forum. See above, Then Lo and Behold, here comes Suzy misstating the OP, that I wrote. Unbelievable, Must be a full moon.
Let's start with the BS narrative of this thread, stated as a 'given' in the OP, that Democrat-controlled cities are all poorly run. This is how the idiotic arguments of Donald Trump start out, and they gain traction because the underlying BS 'given' never gets questioned, and so he wins the argument before it begins. I reject your BS 'givens' and so should everyone else here with a brain.
This is how Donald Trump wins, people.
Please retract!! Tell the debate judges that AverageJoe did NOT make a scintilla of any statement that Democrat-controlled cities are all poorly run. Whew. I guess I will have to start taking names. 🤔
03 Sep 20
@AverageJoe1 Tell the debate judges that AverageJoe did NOT make a scintilla of any statement that Democrat-controlled cities are all poorly run. Whew. I guess I will have to start taking names.
Well you SHOULD have said it!
Hell, you could start out with LA, San Francisco, Portland, New York, Chicago, Detroit, and Seattle and be off to a flying friggin' start, man!!
03 Sep 20
@earl-of-trumps saidThat's where the government's tax money comes from. They must be doing something right to be able to fund this country.
@AverageJoe1 Tell the debate judges that AverageJoe did NOT make a scintilla of any statement that Democrat-controlled cities are all poorly run. Whew. I guess I will have to start taking names.
Well you SHOULD have said it!
Hell, you could start out with LA, San Francisco, Portland, New York, Chicago, Detroit, and Seattle and be off to a flying friggin' start, man!!
03 Sep 20
@athousandyoung said?
That's where the government's tax money comes from. They must be doing something right to be able to fund this country.
03 Sep 20
@averagejoe1 saidHere's what you said in your OP:
Hello, it's AverageJoe. and I was JUST asking Marauder to refrain from changing/altering questions in the forum. See above, Then Lo and Behold, here comes Suzy misstating the OP, that I wrote. Unbelievable, Must be a full moon.
Please retract!! Tell the debate judges that AverageJoe did NOT make a scintilla of any statement that Democrat-controlled cities are all poorly run. Whew. I guess I will have to start taking names. 🤔
"Is it FAIR for Pelosi to bail out (give money to) cities that have improperly managed the finances of their government and their citizens? I ask that, because other cities, like Lander, Wyoming, or Palousa WA, or many thousands of other cities, have run their cities correctly and are not going to get any money. Some of the money will come from you."
Do you really expect us not to read between your lines and suppose you're talking about Democrat-run cities, I don't know, because Donald Trump has said this about a BILLION times?
Donald Trump lies because he gets away with it. That needs to stop.