@AverageJoe1
Keying off other people? What is that supposed to mean, if we are lib we want to be like the people we 'key'? So I am lib, I look at a trans and I am supposed to go, wow, I want to be like that? I might look at Magnus and go, I would love to be like that and so would a million other chess players or look at Andre Agassi and I go I would love to play like he did in his prime, is that what you are talking about?
@sonhouse saidNo,.. dependence. Libs need approval of other libs in the mob. One cannot make a considered decision on their own. Even google points out the major diff of libs and conservatives ,,,,the concept of being dependent or independent.
@AverageJoe1
Keying off other people? What is that supposed to mean, if we are lib we want to be like the people we 'key'? So I am lib, I look at a trans and I am supposed to go, wow, I want to be like that? I might look at Magnus and go, I would love to be like that and so would a million other chess players or look at Andre Agassi and I go I would love to play like he did in his prime, is that what you are talking about?
You would be disingenuous to say otherwise. So, to key off of, as a basketball team. All working in unison. Imagine a successful guy like Howard Roark (aynrand) depending or seeking counsel. I can’t see him squawking like libcrowds do. I don’t like crowds myself!
If Roark decided to do a crash and grab ata jewelry store, I spect that he would do it himself. An independent sort. Let’s do a thread, Would You Rather Be independent, or Dependent? This came up before, either McHill or Kev came back with….”Well you depend on people to build roads!!!!” But you see, I pay for the roads. But, I digress.
@AverageJoe1
You are deriding people because they seek approval? So your ultrarightwingnuts don't seek approval from fellow ultrarightwingnuts like MTG or Matt Gaetz?
Do you think those two are NOT ultrarightwingnuts?
I am just repeating what I see on this website WP.IPS. Here is the crux of it...
Are You Conservative or Liberal?
Directions: Below you will find a table containing many of the nation’s biggest issues. You will also find what Conservatives and Liberals GENERALLY believe when it comes to such issues.
Before you start, read below to find out about conservatives and liberals overall views...
LIBERALS – Generally believe in governmental action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all, and that it is the duty of the government to reduce community issues and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Also believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need.
Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve people's problems.
Liberals are often referred to as being on the LEFT when put into a political spectrum.
Democrats are often viewed as more liberal.
CONSERVATIVES – Generally believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Also believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals.
Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems.
Conservatives are often referred to as being on the RIGHT when put into a political spectrum.
Republicans are often viewed as more conservative.
Note how all the sentences and references in the liberal explanation lean heavily on things being done 'for' them.
None of that appears in the conservative elements, where cons are shown to emphasize empowerment of the individual. The liberal stuff emphasizes the need for government to solve people's problems.
I am just the messenger, I did not write that. We learn every day.
@sonhouse saidPlease do not segue. Again liberals are all about writing about people saying and doing this and that, we get it. Look at Trump, for instance.
@AverageJoe1
You are deriding people because they seek approval? So your ultrarightwingnuts don't seek approval from fellow ultrarightwingnuts like MTG or Matt Gaetz?
Do you think those two are NOT ultrarightwingnuts?
But I, here, write about the diff in libs and conservatives, more specifically how libs have a dependent way about them. I am simply answering your question, about what I meant by 'keying off of each other'.
There is a simple difference between the two philosophies.
1. The most important pronoun is "me".
2. The most important pronoun is "us".
All the details like rights, privileges, entitlements, responsibilities, duties, fall into one of the two.
Remember the Golden Rule which predates all the established religions: do unto others.
"Us" matters. Everybody matters. "I" relates to jungle survival of the fittest and should be consigned to the dustbin of times past.
@AverageJoe1
We talk about Trump because we know he is the most dangerous man in the US right now, he and his buddies started the biggest insurrection since the civil war and all you folks can say is ignore it and maybe it will go away.
How many of those near 100 indictments do you personally feel are bogus?
@kewpie saidI sort of follow, and take no issue with your comments, but am perplexed with the Golden Rule, because liberal philosophy does indeed get into 'US', and extends the Rule to mean that everyone take care of everyone else. Marauder says it best, that, 'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". This is saying that Producers, in today's world, support non-producers.
There is a simple difference between the two philosophies.
1. The most important pronoun is "me".
2. Th
All the details like rights, privileges, entitlements, responsibilities, duties, fall into one of the two.
Remember the Golden Rule which predates all the established religions: do unto others.
"Us" matters. Everybody matters. "I" relates to jungle survival of the fittest and should be consigned to the dustbin of times past.
Further, how can you possibly say that a man who takes care of himself with no government support (support of his fellow citizens) should be consigned to the proverbial dustbin? You see, (here is that word again) , he is independent. He leans on no one. Do you want a society of people who rely on others to live???? Do you not want your life partner, if you will, to be an independent man that can take care of himself?? Really?
(He pays taxes for roads, firemen and hospitals and schools, so let us not get into that.)
The most important pronoun is I. You are truly content with the status of 'Us'?? What if everyone relied on everyone else? My granny would call that 'pulling yourself up with your own bootstraps'.
We need independent people, Kewpie. You see my treatise above, every element of the 'liberal' explanation has to do with government protecting and nurturing its citizens. That all sounds so cozy, but, but, we are the government.
@sonhouse saidI agree, but that is not subject of this thread. I am disappointed in Trump, so remove me from those whom you wish to distinguish.
@AverageJoe1
We talk about Trump because we know he is the most dangerous man in the US right now, he and his buddies started the biggest insurrection since the civil war and all you folks can say is ignore it and maybe it will go away.
How many of those near 100 indictments do you personally feel are bogus?
. Also believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need.Did you see this part? Do you know that Shav says everyone on the planet is entitled to free housing? Do you see where your post needs a bit of foundation. You certainly do not align with the Shav Philosophy. So, where do you meet in the middle? Not his middle, he will want a new car.
@kewpie said'Rights' are distinct from, "privileges, entitlements, responsibilities and duties."
There is a simple difference between the two philosophies.
1. The most important pronoun is "me".
2. The most important pronoun is "us".
All the details like rights, privileges, entitlements, responsibilities, duties, fall into one of the two.
Remember the Golden Rule which predates all the established religions: do unto others.
"Us" matters. Everybody matters. "I" relates to jungle survival of the fittest and should be consigned to the dustbin of times past.
A 'right' is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others. The grand daddy of all rights, the right that all other rights are based on, is the right to life, or more accurately; the right to live.
A privilege relies on the permission of others, everyone has rights, not everyone has privilege.
'I' (that is: me, me, me, me) do not live by the permission of others.
@sonhouse saidThey absolutely are not 'ultrarightwingnuts'. As with the word racism you hysterical ranters have destroyed the meaning of the term 'rightwing' and especially the term 'ultrarightwing' which is a shame because there is a 'ultrarightwing' and there should be a name to describe them.
@AverageJoe1
You are deriding people because they seek approval? So your ultrarightwingnuts don't seek approval from fellow ultrarightwingnuts like MTG or Matt Gaetz?
Do you think those two are NOT ultrarightwingnuts?
Sad that the actual 'ultrarightwing' get a kind of pass because they become associated with the moderate rightwing by your abuse of the term.
@wajoma saidIronic, the concepts of rights and privileges are tantamount to the study of law. Very good, Wajoma. A thumb up from a lowly professor.
'Rights' are distinct from, "privileges, entitlements, responsibilities and duties."
A 'right' is the sovereignty to act without the permission of others. The grand daddy of all rights, the right that all other rights are based on, is the right to life, or more accurately; the right to live.
A privilege relies on the permission of others, everyone has rights, not everyone has privilege.
'I' (that is: me, me, me, me) do not live by the permission of others.
@averagejoe1 saidWhat’s that got to do with my answer?
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Note how uncivilized all of the lib posts are. They are saying,,,'no more civility' is fine with them. Let it all hang our...literally. And this train of thought fits right in with helping yourselves to other people's stuff, and, the transformation of America.
Nothing.
@averagejoe1 saidLiar
Haven’t the foggiest, that is why I am trying to get some idea before a dude walks into my child’s bathroom.
Is everything just cute bantering to you? Can you please help out with an answer? Not a little faux-clever answer, my daughter is not as sophisticated as you are, it would go right over her head.
Are you mad at ole AvJoe? You seem mad. What have I done?