@vivify saidPorts can have military installations; in fact the Ukraine has fired missiles from that port which have sunk Russian vessels. So the claim that the attack was aimed at legitimate military targets is at least plausible.
Okay, here's one from two days ago with pictures of the damaged Odesa port:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-pledges-more-military-aid-ukraine-peace-seems-far-off-2022-07-22/
At any rate, even the Ukraine now says it did not interfere with preparations to ship the grain which, hopefully, will start in the next few days.
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@no1marauder saidWho knows. I wasn't even aware Russia had bombed a grain silo only two months ago, which is I thought the previous article was recent.
Ports can have military installations; in fact the Ukraine has fired missiles from that port which have sunk Russian vessels. So the claim that the attack was aimed at legitimate military targets is at least plausible.
At any rate, even the Ukraine now says it did not interfere with preparations to ship the grain which, hopefully, will start in the next few days.
Russia not only put a blockade on grain shipments but bombed a grain silo not long ago. If Russia bombing another grain facility mere hours after signing an agreement to let grain be shipped is a mere coincidence....that's quite an extraordinary one.
@vivify saidThat Russia would waste precision guided missiles by aiming them at grain silos is unlikely at best.
Who knows. I wasn't even aware Russia had bombed a grain silo only two months ago, which is I thought the previous article was recent.
Russia not only put a blockade on grain shipments but bombed a grain silo not long ago. If Russia bombing another grain facility mere hours after signing an agreement to let grain be shipped is a mere coincidence....that's quite an extraordinary one.
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@no1marauder saidThey've already wasted precision guided missiles by aiming them at grain silos. See the Reuters article from April.
That Russia would waste precision guided missiles by aiming them at grain silos is unlikely at best.
@vivify saidI doubt it. Most likely that was a rather bad miss; one attack on a stray grain silo seems an absurd waste of expensive ordinance.
They've already wasted precision guided missiles by aiming them at grain silos. See the Reuters article from April.
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@no1marauder saidA "bad miss" from a precision-guided missile?
I doubt it. Most likely that was a rather bad miss; one attack on a stray grain silo seems an absurd waste of expensive ordinance.
They also used guided missiles on bombing a maternity hospital hospital. Doesn't seem like "absurd waste" is beyond them.
@vivify saidYou're going to believe what you want to believe no matter how illogical that belief is.
A "bad miss" from a precision-guided missile?
They also used guided missiles on bombing a maternity hospital hospital. Doesn't seem like "absurd waste" is beyond them.
Have fun with that.
@no1marauder saidLike precision-guided missiles having a "bad miss"?
You're going to believe what you want to believe no matter how illogical that belief is.
@beowulf saidNo1's argument is that Russia bombing a grain silo mere hours after agreeing to let grain get shipped is a mere coincidence, even though Russia put a blockade stopping grain from being exported and bombed a grain silo a mere two months ago...but that bombing was also a coincidence because a precision-guided missile had a "bad miss".
"But ``precision″ weapons also miss. Human and mechanical errors send 10 percent or more astray, Pentagon and civilian experts say _ a disastrous percentage for civilians living near the intended targets."
https://apnews.com/article/3530fc41ad349adb3a8dce9e57a23246
He's become quite the Metal Brain with his incessant and hair-brained defenses of Russia.
@no1marauder saiddepends on who fired it and what their objective is
I doubt it. Most likely that was a rather bad miss; one attack on a stray grain silo seems an absurd waste of expensive ordinance.
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@vivify saidThere are thousands, probably tens of thousands, of grain silos in the Ukraine. The idea that Russia would deliberately bomb a few is idiotic; of what possible military use would that be? To repeat, the Ukrainian command isn't even claiming grain storage facilities were hit in the weekend attack. What would make more sense: for the Russians to targets warships and missiles or for them to target grain silos?
No1's argument is that Russia bombing a grain silo mere hours after agreeing to let grain get shipped is a mere coincidence, even though Russia put a blockade stopping grain from being exported and bombed a grain silo a mere two months ago...but that bombing was also a coincidence because a precision-guided missile had a "bad miss".
He's become quite the Metal Brain with his incessant and hair-brained defenses of Russia.
You've become more and more of a gullible and shrill purveyor of brainless propaganda.
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@no1marauder saidThe same "military use" as a bombing a maternity hospital.
There are thousands, probably tens of thousands, of grain silos in the Ukraine. The idea that Russia would deliberately bomb a few is idiotic; of what possible military use would that be?
You've become more and more of a gullible and shrill purveyor of brainless propaganda.
Off all the places for *precision-guided* missiles to have a "bad miss" it lands on the exact thing Russia put a blockade on. Who's "gullible" here?
@no1marauder
Here's a podcast for anyone wanting a good summary of all the history leading up to this conflict going back to the cold war. It's by Daryl Cooper, a historian of sorts. I think it will resonate with no1 in particular.
https://martyrmade.substack.com/p/thoughts-on-ukraine-remastered#details
If that link is behind a paywall you can listen without paying by:
1. go to https://martyrmade.substack.com/
2. ignore the login and click the let me read it first link.
3. search through for the one titled Thoughts on Ukraine (Remastered)