10 Mar 14
Originally posted by twhitehead"But how do you know that kids that pay their way will perform better than kids that don't?"
But how do you know that kids that pay their way will perform better than kids that don't? Or do you think people should be forced to become adults before getting an education?
What you have observed is that adults who sought out education are more motivated than the average kid. I don't think this is because they had to pay for their education, I think ...[text shortened]... not that of their parents.
4. They are older and generally more mature about their work ethic.
I don't. I'm taking the word of an instructor and regent on the matter.
"Or do you think people should be forced to become adults before getting an education?"
More mature students usually do better, but maturity varies with individuals.
I also agree with your breakdown of reasons for adults achieving better outcomes. These four reasons all relate to their valuing education enough to pay for it instead of other consumer goods. They choose education, and make sacrifices to get it. Even the motivated kids, most of them, are going to school to satisfy their parents.
The point is reflected in my own experience as well. When I finished HS, college wasn't a high priority, and was generally frowned on by my adult role models. However, in those days it was quite possible to work your way through college. Even when I finally decided to go, it was still possible to work your way. It is almost impossible today, even in State community college tuition is barely affordable.
14 Mar 14
I never got an answer in this thread, so I'll try again.
Why is it that her parents should not pay for her college education but society should? Are not her parents part of society?
I think Rachel is representative of the entitlement state and show what kind of children the nation is bringing into the world.
14 Mar 14
Originally posted by whodeyEveryone deserves an equal chance in life, therefore society should pay for everyone's education. In addition, doing so it beneficial to everyone so it should also be done for purely selfish reasons.
I never got an answer in this thread, so I'll try again.
Why is it that her parents should not pay for her college education but society should? Are not her parents part of society?
Her parents are part of society and thus should be contributors.
I think Rachel is representative of the entitlement state and show what kind of children the nation is bringing into the world.
Does that make any sense? There are different kinds of children? When they are born, or after they grow up?
14 Mar 14
Originally posted by twhiteheadBut why have society pay? Why not have her parents pay? Shouldn't her parents pay more since it is their child?
Everyone deserves an equal chance in life, therefore society should pay for everyone's education. In addition, doing so it beneficial to everyone so it should also be done for purely selfish reasons.
Her parents are part of society and thus should be contributors.
[b]I think Rachel is representative of the entitlement state and show what kind of chi ...[text shortened]... ake any sense? There are different kinds of children? When they are born, or after they grow up?
Obviously you feel, as do all other redistributionists, that her parents are obligated to help pay for her education. The only sticking point is how much?
14 Mar 14
The post that was quoted here has been removedYou make a valid point. One family works diligently, saves regularly and send a child to a great private school, all the while paying school taxes for benefits not used.
Then they also have prepared and saved, so that their child can go to a good college.
Another family works less hard, spends everything they make on whatever pleases them, and takes little or no interest in their child's success K-12, but thinks that the public ought to fund a college education?
Is there something wrong with that picture?
14 Mar 14
The post that was quoted here has been removedI never said that my picture was a snapshot of American culture.
You entirely failed to comment on the situation I presented, which seems somewhat unfair.
You make some wild assertions. "The most significant factor, on average, in determining a family's wealth is not hard its members work but how much wealth has been inherited." Support?
Wishing that low income kids are somehow purer than "trust fund kids" isn't facts either. There are some irresponsible people in every economic strata.
Let me rephrase my question to hopefully draw out a rational response. If all taxpayers support higher education regardless of parental preparation by working, saving, and seeing that their offspring are qualified, then what motivation remains for those responsible parents to continue what they've been doing? Isn't it likely that higher education will devolve into the same pit that k-12 has sunk into. Everyone sits in a class, and nobody learns.
14 Mar 14
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Originally posted by whodeyI already said, that everyone deserves an equal chance in life - regardless of your parentage. If you make the parents pay, then pretty soon you have different education depending on how much the parents pay.
But why have society pay? Why not have her parents pay? Shouldn't her parents pay more since it is their child?
Obviously you feel, as do all other redistributionists, that her parents are obligated to help pay for her education. The only sticking point is how much?
I am actually only a redistributionist, because my prefered system is harder to get passed into law - greater equality in the first place. Redistribution is only necessary when there is mass exploitation and entrenched unfairness (as is currently the case in most of the world). No doubt you would feel the same way as I do if you were one of the less fortunate. Generally the people at the top, like the status quo, and the people at the bottom, do not.
14 Mar 14
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Originally posted by normbenignEven assuming this picture has some basis in reality, why should child A gain such an unequal advantage over child B when he has done nothing to earn it?
You make a valid point. One family works diligently, saves regularly and send a child to a great private school, all the while paying school taxes for benefits not used.
Then they also have prepared and saved, so that their child can go to a good college.
Another family works less hard, spends everything they make on whatever pleases them, and take ...[text shortened]... hat the public ought to fund a college education?
Is there something wrong with that picture?
If despite all his disadvantages Child B has met the requirements for admission to college why should he denied it simply because his family is not as wonderful as Child A's?
23 Mar 14
Originally posted by no1marauderI gave an example of two possible parents: If you can't figure out why child A whose parents actually cared enough to work and save, deserves a seat in the class, and the one begging the public for admission, with an inferior K-12 record doesn't, I can't explain it to you.
Even assuming this picture has some basis in reality, why should child A gain such an unequal advantage over child B when he has done nothing to earn it?
If despite all his disadvantages Child B has met the requirements for admission to college why should he denied it simply because his family is not as wonderful as Child A's?
At some level, we get what we earn, and if not why keep on trying?
23 Mar 14
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Originally posted by normbenignNonsense, we are all equal in every aspect of our existence and should be treated accordingly......unless you are one of Obamas buddies being exempted from Obamacare or a left winged group being passed over in favor of a conservative group by the IRS, but I think that is only common sense. 😵
I gave an example of two possible parents: If you can't figure out why child A whose parents actually cared enough to work and save, deserves a seat in the class, and the one begging the public for admission, with an inferior K-12 record doesn't, I can't explain it to you.
At some level, we get what we earn, and if not why keep on trying?
24 Mar 14
Originally posted by whodeyLOL! 😀
Nonsense, we are all equal in every aspect of our existence and should be treated accordingly......unless you are one of Obamas buddies being exempted from Obamacare or a left winged group being passed over in favor of a conservative group by the IRS, but I think that is only common sense. 😵