Regime change in Iran necessary ...

Originally posted by whodey
But I thought Chavez declared himself Pope or something stupid that was similar?

The only thing 'stupid' around here is your tiresome posts.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
.... hallo there no1 ..... Still the same manipulative and insinuating formulations, right ?

Do you support the opposition in Iran ?

You called for regime change in Iran, a praiseworthy goal in and of itself, but refuse to address what costs you feel are acceptable to achieve such a goal. Therefore, you are just spouting meaningless propaganda (as you have for years).

I'm willing to let the Iranian people sort it out for themselves what regime they will have. They are perfectly capable of doing so, as they showed in 1979.

Originally posted by whodey
WHich is why all the capitalism haters rush to the defense of Chavez and Ahmadinejad on a consistant basis.

Who's defending Chavez or Ahmadinejad?

Originally posted by whodey
Certainly not the US of today. Perhaps it was the US of old. Having said that, I have no notion of a utopia, that is for the left to believe, rather, I only look at works best.

I'm on the left and I don't believe in a utopia. I've also never seen anyone else on the left express believe in such a thing, so perhaps you can link me to an example of what you're talking about.

I was just wondering if you could point to an example of your ideal Capitalist country with a high quality of life, or if perhaps your ideas are entirely pie-in-the-sky.

Originally posted by no1marauder
You called for regime change in Iran, a praiseworthy goal in and of itself, but refuse to address what costs you feel are acceptable to achieve such a goal. Therefore, you are just spouting meaningless propaganda (as you have for years).

I'm willing to let the Iranian people sort it out for themselves what regime they will have. They are perfectly capable of doing so, as they showed in 1979.

... so you don't want to support either side. How convenient ... in that way you keep your hands free ...


Marauder, I'm not determining anything about the "costs". The Iranian opposition will do this. How much are the costs of not changing the regime you think ? ... or do you think there is no price label attached to maintaining the status quo ?

Originally posted by FMF
Who's defending Chavez or Ahmadinejad?

... Rwingo is a fervent Chavez supporter ...

Originally posted by ivanhoe
... so you don't want to support either side. How convenient ... in that way you keep your hands free ...


Marauder, I'm not determining anything about the "costs". The Iranian opposition will do this. How much are the costs of not changing the regime you think ? ... or do you think there is no price label attached to maintaining the status quo ?

It's none of my business what regime rules in Iran. If stating that means "my hands are free", then so be it.

How convenient for you that you can espouse regime change, but ignore the cost in blood that this will entail. But this type of moral cowardice is typical of you.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
... Rwingo is a fervent Chavez supporter ...

Not so. My support is not unconditional. As long as he continues to make sure that the interests of big business are subservient to those of the state (as a representative of the Venezuelan electorate), then he will get my conditional support.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
How much are the costs of not changing the regime you think ? ... or do you think there is no price label attached to maintaining the status quo ?

Well, I've heard it claimed that Ahmadinejad has already murdered over 850,000 people, which is somewhat less than Chavez's 1,350,000 - a figure already discussed a few times on this forum. If regime change can be brought about with casualties less than or equal to these, then it'd be justifiable perhaps?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
... Rwingo is a fervent Chavez supporter ...

Oh? I don't see rwingett so much as a defender of Chavez, more as (1) someone who rejects and rebutts ludicrous hyberbole and accusations about him and his country, as I do, routinely (for which I have - on at least one occasion - been saddled with the blood of the "77,000,000" victims of Mao Tse Tung), and as (2) someone keenly interested in looking for alternative paradigms, something that any independent, thoughful person ought to be at least interested in, even from the vantage point provided by our armchairs.

Originally posted by FMF
Oh? I don't see rwingett so much as a defender of Chavez, more as (1) someone who rejects and rebutts ludicrous hyberbole and accusations about him and his country, as I do, routinely (for which I have - on at least one occasion - been saddled with the blood of the "77,000,000" victims of Mao Tse Tung), and as (2) someone keenly interested in looking for alterna ...[text shortened]... on ought to be at least interested in, even from the vantage point provided by our armchairs.

Yeah! Why didn't I write that?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmSQqbpRgsw

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/27/iran.protests/index.html

... maybe those killers can seek refuge in Chavez's Venezuela.

Oh! I know!!!

Let's preemptively strike at Iran and instill a friendly government there! It'll be a big success, just like Iraq!!

Originally posted by rwingett
Yeah! Why didn't I write that?

I've got your back.

Originally posted by no1marauder
It's none of my business what regime rules in Iran. If stating that means "my hands are free", then so be it.

How convenient for you that you can espouse regime change, but ignore the cost in blood that this will entail. But this type of moral cowardice is typical of you.

You haven't changed one bit, have you Marauder ? 😀

Originally posted by ivanhoe
... Rwingo is a fervent Chavez supporter ...

I've defended both.