06 Jul 10
Originally posted by sh76Ermmm... How will I put this:
... and may live another decade or two
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/07/05/2010-07-05_lockerbie_bomber_abdelbaset_almegrahi_still_alive_in_libya_despite_terminal_canc.html
What a joke. This convicted mass murderer is released on "humanitarian" grounds because he has another few months to live, gets a hero's welcome at the airport at home for ...[text shortened]... asserted jurisdiction over him. Now all we need to do is figure out how to get him here.
First, I don't want to hear about how he might really be innocent.
The fact is that this man is almost surely innocent. And I'm not kidding you here. All the facts that were collected pointed to the innocence of this man.
I don't know if you have read anything about the way his trial was conducted, but I can say to you that it was a damn shame.
But let's put this aide for a while. He is a convicted mass murderer, as you put it, and he was released on humanitarian grounds because he only had a few months to live.
Well I have to say that if you truly believed that the real reason for letting him go was a humanitarian one in the first place than the joke is totally on you.
Still it doesn't answer your question. Of course that if his cancer isn't about to kill him the official reason of his release his naught. But in that case the joke is totally on you again. Because by now an official position as been reached and it wasn't a conditional one.
So they out the wrong man in jail in the first place (and you seem to have no problem with this) and now they've released him for the wrong reason (suddenly you seem to have a lot of problems with this).
But both times they were official decisions that have to respected.
Right?
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by EladarSome terrorists that target civilian airplanes, explode bombs in hotels and then openly brag about their achievements are free to walk calmly in the US of A.
There you have it. All terrorists should stand trial and be found guilty and handed a sentence. Let them serve a very short stint, then released. I think Lybia or Iran would be a perfect place for such trials.
Once a terrorist stands trial, everything is forgotten because any attempt to bring such a person to trial would result in double jeopardy.
Nice.
But in that case they were under the Big Man payroll so what they were doing wasn't terrorism. It was pacifying or something like that...
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by sh76And you know that the US agreed to and the UN Security Council approved the deal that the two Lockerbie defendants would be tried in the Netherlands under Scottish law. In fact, the US kicked in $8 million to get the court functioning. http://www.unafei.or.jp/english/pdf/PDF_rms/no57/57-09.pdf
Trials by separate sovereigns have not been held to violate the Double Jeopardy clause.
You know that.
Perhaps it's more technically a waiver or estoppel. Nonetheless, the US having already agreed to a legal disposition of the case cannot simply change its mind based on the outcome.
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by adam warlockExactly what are you trying to describe?
Some terrorists that target civilian airplanes, explode bombs in hotels and then openly brag about their achievements are free to walk calmly in the US of A.
But in that case they were under the Big Man payroll so what they were doing wasn't terrorism. It was pacifying or something like that...
06 Jul 10
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You're unwilling to give names so that what you said could be refuted? Not surprising either.
Edit: Operation Mongoose? You mean the one that had to do with Cuba? How pathetic. You must be a very angry person, having to live so much of your life on the fringe and rejected by so many. True wack job.
06 Jul 10
Originally posted by EladarRefute this please: Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles. CIA agents that targeted a civilian airplane and are walking freely in the US of A.
You're unwilling to give names so that what you said could be refuted? Not surprising either.
Edit: Operation Mongoose? You mean the one that had to do with Cuba? How pathetic. You must be a very angry person, having to live so much of your life on the fringe and rejected by so many. True wack job.
Bombing hotels and such isn't a big deal, right? Targeting civilians isn't wrong, right? Killing innocent people on purpose is ok, right?
Your knowledge of operation MONGOOSE is really staggering!
06 Jul 10
Bosch was arrested and jailed for 10 years for being a terrorist. I think you are right, he should not have been released. Bush was an idiot. But then Clinton released a bunch of people who should not have been released too.
For some reason people behind the scenes want to see certain people released from jail.
But to describe the situation the way you did was making a mountain out of a mole hill. It wasn't a problem with the US in general, Bush's own defense department told him not to do it. The problem is with Bush.
06 Jul 10
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Originally posted by Eladar
Bosch was arrested and jailed for 10 years for being a terrorist. I think you are right, he should not have been released. Bush was an idiot. But then Clinton released a bunch of people who should not have been released too.
For some reason people behind the scenes want to see certain people released from jail.
But to describe the situation the way y US in general, Bush's own defense department told him not to do it. The problem is with Bush.
Bosch was arrested and jailed for 10 years for being a terrorist.
Ahaha! That's funny! What was Bosch arrested for? And where was he arrested?
The several self-contradictions in your post are amusing by the way.
Bush isn't in office now. Why isn't Bosh extradited now?
The point is that Bosch and Posada Carriles were practicing terrorist activities under the USA payroll. They were targeting and killing civilians (the hotel bombings don't you forget them) on purpose under the protection of your government. Now your country gives protection to those two vile human beings.
Rationalize that please.
Then please rationalize operation MONGOOSE. I think I'll be greatly amused.
07 Jul 10
Originally posted by adam warlockYou are quite amazing yourself,, do you have a life?Bosch was arrested and jailed for 10 years for being a terrorist.
Ahaha! That's funny! What was Bosch arrested for? And where was he arrested?
The several self-contradictions in your post are amusing by the way.
Bush isn't in office now. Why isn't Bosh extradited now?
The point is that Bosch and Posada Carriles were practicing ter ...[text shortened]... e that please.
Then please rationalize operation MONGOOSE. I think I'll be greatly amused.