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@bunnyknight saidOBAMA was hamstrung by The GOP. A good example is his nomination of Garland to SCOTUS. The ONLY GOP AGENDA, self admitted, was to make OBAMA a one term President, and, after that, to obstruct his agenda....and they continue to do so w/ BIDEN.
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Shortly after I voted for Obama, who promised to completely fix the corrupt health care system and end useless wars, I realized that both parties are corrupt to the core. They're nothing but salespeople for the war industry, big pharma and big banks. Big business runs the government instead of the other way around.
@wildgrass saidMore inclusive means “Appealing to other voter groups than WASP hetero males”. It’s as plain as day.
That's even more vague. What does that mean?
I want to "include" you in a tariff? Or more inclusive govt handouts to big business?
@moonbus said
What was fundamentally wrong about Trump was less his policies (erratic though they were, remember the steel Tarif which backfired?), than the toxic personality cult he created about and around himself. No party can govern effectively with a child in charge throwing tantrums whenever he doesn’t get his way. Sheesh, grabbing the steering wheel of a moving secret service vehi ...[text shortened]... ir traditional WASP base. If they don’t, they’re political dinosaurs well on the way to extinction.
the Rep party to wake up to the changed demographic situation in America and appeal to it instead of trying to deny and repress it.
They have woken up, in my opinion, and are governing like liberals instead of making the case for the benefits of conservative-run government.
I don't understand how else you "appeal" politically to identity groups without offering to give them stuff. Conservatives have given up on selling people with good ideas and started just giving money to businesses, corporate welfare, like libs do.
15 Jul 22
I'm not a Trump guy and I certainly prefer the old Republican party to the current one. But how about some recognition from all you liberals that many of the Democratic parties ideas simply are not popular. You have the current siting president and he is the THIRD favorite (according to betting odds) to win the 2024 election and both guys in front of him are Republicans.
15 Jul 22
@quackquack saidBoth guys in front of him are Republicans, but they aren't conservatives.
I'm not a Trump guy and I certainly prefer the old Republican party to the current one. But how about some recognition from all you liberals that many of the Democratic parties ideas simply are not popular. You have the current siting president and he is the THIRD favorite (according to betting odds) to win the 2024 election and both guys in front of him are Republicans.
The reason they are popular is they "appealed" to people by handing out free stuff. One of the reasons Ol' Joe ain't popular is that he has not delivered on that promise.
@wildgrass saidI have no idea what you are talking about the Democrats handed out so much money we have inflation at rates not seen since the 80s.
Both guys in front of him are Republicans, but they aren't conservatives.
The reason they are popular is they "appealed" to people by handing out free stuff. One of the reasons Ol' Joe ain't popular is that he has not delivered on that promise.
@quackquack saidDid you ever look at a Trump or DeSantis budget, or .... ?
I have no idea what you are talking about the Democrats handed out so much money we have inflation at rates not seen since the 80s.
Yeesh.
Federal spending increased $800 billion under Trump.
$8+ trillion in deficit spending in 4 years. Literally printed the money he didn't have.
Tripled handouts to farmers.
Signed multiple enormous COVID stimulus packages worth $ 4 trillion prior to leaving office.
Inflation was increasing before Biden showed up.
These are funny money numbers. It's hard to comprehend how much a trillion dollars is, much less $ 8 trillion you are printing extra from what's coming in taxes.
Yes, Biden made it worse. But Trump spending was way way worse than Obama.
15 Jul 22
@quackquack saidhttps://www.crfb.org/blogs/spending-has-increased-800-billion-under-president-trump
I have no idea what you are talking about the Democrats handed out so much money we have inflation at rates not seen since the 80s.
I mean you can see in this graph how federal budgets were relatively flat over the O-bummer years, only to skyrocket as soon as Trump took office. Are you telling me that $8 trillion in deficit spending in 4 years had no impact on current inflation?
It's not possible for Biden's policies, which haven't changed much from the trump era, to have that big an impact on an economy.
15 Jul 22
@wildgrass saidIf you think good governance is about giving people stuff, it’s a good thing you’re not in politics.
I don't understand how else you "appeal" politically to identity groups without offering to give them stuff. Conservatives have given up on selling people with good ideas and started just giving money to businesses, corporate welfare, like libs do.
Good governance consists in maintaining a framework which ensures peace, prosperity, justice, a level playing field, equality of opportunity (mark that, please, it is not equality of outcomes), and plurality (I.e., no single party rules politically and cartels are broken up).
16 Jul 22
@jimm619 saidYeah, Jimm.
OBAMA was hamstrung by The GOP. A good example is his nomination of Garland to SCOTUS. The ONLY GOP AGENDA, self admitted, was to make OBAMA a one term President, and, after that, to obstruct his agenda....and they continue to do so w/ BIDEN.
It's kinda like - the only thing the police do is to try to stop the criminals from doing what they do.
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@quackquack saidHow do you explain that The GOP has won
I'm not a Trump guy and I certainly prefer the old Republican party to the current one. But how about some recognition from all you liberals that many of the Democratic parties ideas simply are not popular. You have the current siting president and he is the THIRD favorite (according to betting odds) to win the 2024 election and both guys in front of him are Republicans.
only one popular vote in over thirty years?
(Presidential)----Eight elections
By the way, according to most polls, if the
election were held today...Biden vs Trump-
Guess what....GOP loses again.
https://crooksandliars.com/2022/07/biden-still-beats-trump-latest-polls
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dangerous-silver-lining-biden-leads-trump-in-ny-times-poll/ar-AAZwYdO
@moonbus saidYou were vaguely writing on page 1 about "appealing" to a wider base of voters, due to changing demographics. I don't think any of the good governance talking points you describe would accomplish that without promises to put more stuff (money) in the pockets of the folks who are considering voting for the other candidate.
If you think good governance is about giving people stuff, it’s a good thing you’re not in politics.
Good governance consists in maintaining a framework which ensures peace, prosperity, justice, a level playing field, equality of opportunity (mark that, please, it is not equality of outcomes), and plurality (I.e., no single party rules politically and cartels are broken up).
Think about Trump's strategy with farm country. He was told by political strategists that farmers were turning on his tariff policies, because their soybeans were no longer competitive on the global market, so his solution was to give them $40 billion. That's quite a liberal strategy for a so-called conservative.