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Russia - Ukraine: this looks bad

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@shavixmir said
Did I claim Russia was bluffing in my post?
Yes. You did. Read it


@Metal-Brain said
Yes. You did. Read it
Calling someone’s bluff, doesn’t mean that he’s bluffing.


@shavixmir said
You are bat 💩 crazy.
so you cant dispute Trump had things going good? remind me who was at war under Trump?


@shavixmir said
Calling someone’s bluff, doesn’t mean that he’s bluffing.
If there is no bluff to call how can you call someones bluff?


@Metal-Brain said
If there is no bluff to call how can you call someones bluff?
you hymned him in...prepare for some lewd sexual terms


@Metal-Brain said
Putin was warning NATO before he invaded Ukraine. What you do not understand is that the USA and NATO bluffed Russia that Ukraine was going to join NATO. Behind the scenes they told Ukraine they would not be accepted into NATO.

The USA and NATO wanted Russia to invade. That was the whole plan. NATO has been expanding to the east for some time. Russia kept warning about ...[text shortened]... e agreement was sabotaged by the west as well. The USA did not want peace. They wanted a bloody war.
I agree, NATO has been expanding, despite promises not to. But it doesn't explain why he'd invade Ukraine after 14 years of them not coming any closer to joining after making their bid.

Even when Putin invaded in 2014, his justification was allegedly to free ethnic Russians; nothing to do with NATO.

Putin has implied his intent to expand rebuild the Soviet empire:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26769481

That may have more to do with it than NATO, especially after he compared himself to Peter the Great.


@vivify said
I agree, NATO has been expanding, despite promises not to. But it doesn't explain why he'd invade Ukraine after 14 years of them not coming any closer to joining after making their bid.

Even when Putin invaded in 2014, his justification was allegedly to free ethnic Russians; nothing to do with NATO.

Putin has implied his intent to expand rebuild the Soviet empire:
...[text shortened]... That may have more to do with it than NATO, especially after he compared himself to Peter the Great.
The USA and NATO bluffed Russia into thinking Ukraine would join NATO. You seem to think Russia knew Ukraine would not be allowed to join NATO. They didn't.

That war could have been prevented easily by the USA and NATO announcing Ukraine NATO membership would not happen. Instead they bluffed Russia into thinking they would become a NATO nation to get Russia to invade.

Your history sources are omitting important context intentionally.


@vivify
"Putin has implied his intent to expand rebuild the Soviet empire"

That is a lie. He never said anything of the sort. That is a typical propaganda lie that democrats keep repeating like parrots. Don't you people ever think for yourselves?


@Metal-Brain said
If there is no bluff to call how can you call someones bluff?
It’s a saying, dumb arse.


@Mott-The-Hoople said
so you cant dispute Trump had things going good? remind me who was at war under Trump?
Taliban.


@shavixmir said
It’s a saying, dumb arse.
So read what you mean, not what you say. Right?


@shavixmir said
Taliban.
the war Trump inherited and was ENDING? That war?


@Mott-The-Hoople said
the war Trump inherited and was ENDING? That war?
You mean the war where he rimmed the taliban leader and screwed up everything so there was only an emergency ending possible. Yes.

Or, moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem… you don’t think that’s sowing seeds?

Or ending the Paris accord, or ending the nuclear deal with Iran?

My God… it was no wonder the world was laughing at him and you.


@Metal-Brain said
So read what you mean, not what you say. Right?
Yes. That is English for you.

You don’t know if someone is bluffing or not. So, you call their bluff.


@Metal-Brain said
@vivify
"Putin has implied his intent to expand rebuild the Soviet empire"

That is a lie. He never said anything of the sort.
I said "implied".

Sharpen your reading skills.

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