22 May 23
@kevcvs57 said"Or they could be creating excellent defensive positions for the Ukrainian army against Russias next invasion attempt."
Or they could be creating excellent defensive positions for the Ukrainian army against Russias next invasion attempt.
Truth is stand off heavy munitions is the only option Moscow has given the lack of moral and skill sets of Putin’s imperial army.
Ukraine has built fortifications in eastern Ukraine for 8 years.
This is one of the reasons why the Russian attack there, for example, in Bakhmut, took 9 bloody months to complete.
The next fortified town after Bakhmut is Chasiv Yar.
End the others are following.
It is actually stupid that Russia attacked in this region head on.
@eintaluj saidAmerica never claimed Iraq or Afghanistan was American territory. Estonia, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. were once part of the USSR, and Putin evidently wants to reclaim for Russia the former hegemony and prestige of the USSR.
"Estonians are right to be warning Europe that if Putin gets away with annexing Ukraine, he won’t stop there."
- What "Estonians"? I am an Estonian too. And personally I do not see any difference between the following two statements:
A) "If Russia gets away with annexing Ukraine, he won’t stop there."
B) "If the US gets away with occupying Afghanistan and Iraq, he w ...[text shortened]... g of the invasion of Ukraine, Russia claimed that occupation of the whole of Ukraine is not its aim.
Here’s a link to a recent report on Estonia:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/20/world/estonia-russia-narva-threat-intl/index.html
@moonbus saidI cannot argue with you as you continue to make the same logical mistakes I criticized above.
America never claimed Iraq or Afghanistan was American territory. Estonia, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, etc. were once part of the USSR, and Putin evidently wants to reclaim for Russia the former hegemony and prestige of the USSR.
Here’s a link to a recent report on Estonia:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/20/world/estonia-russia-narva-threat-intl/index.html
Moreover, you seem to be a close friend of Putin if you know his real intentions so well.
I am using publicly attainable information.
It has some non-zero probability that Putin's aim is to reclaim the former territory of the USSR.
It also has some non-zero probability that his aim is what he publicly announced. Among other things, to stop the expansion of NATO near Russian borders.
It has a zero probability that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was unprovoked.
@eintaluj saidFunny that you are so fooled by Putin.
I cannot argue with you as you continue to make the same logical mistakes I criticized above.
Moreover, you seem to be a close friend of Putin if you know his real intentions so well.
I am using publicly attainable information.
It has some non-zero probability that Putin's aim is to reclaim the former territory of the USSR.
It also has some non-zero probability ...[text shortened]... n borders.
It has a zero probability that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was unprovoked.
You had the same reaction to Trump.
Funny that.
23 May 23
@eintaluj saidA lot of what the Russians are doing looks pretty stupid, I think once plan A failed they began to ad-lib.
"Or they could be creating excellent defensive positions for the Ukrainian army against Russias next invasion attempt."
Ukraine has built fortifications in eastern Ukraine for 8 years.
This is one of the reasons why the Russian attack there, for example, in Bakhmut, took 9 bloody months to complete.
The next fortified town after Bakhmut is Chasiv Yar.
End the others are following.
It is actually stupid that Russia attacked in this region head on.
Wagner are operating more or less independently of the ministry of defence and openly challenging Putin’s chain of command.
It’s impossible to know what’s going on in the kremlins corridors of power but the optics are not good.
23 May 23
@eintaluj saidAfter more than 290 days of intense fighting and tens of thousands of casualties, the Battle of Artyomovsk (called Bakhmut in Ukraine) is over.
"Russia winning Ukraine war" is the wrong caption for this news.
Bakhmut (Artemovsk) is one town. Russia almost fully captured it after 9 months of heavy battles. 99% is captured.
The frontline in the Ukraine war is about 1000 km.
On May 20, Moscow’s officials announced that Russian forces had taken full control of the province, with no more Ukrainian units in the region. With this, the bloodiest infantry battle since World War II ended. The case once again shows how Moscow militarily controls the conflict, leaving no doubt as to which side is winning on the battlefield.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-battle-of-bakhmut-russian-forces-take-full-control-of-the-province/5820012
23 May 23
@kevcvs57 said"It’s impossible to know what’s going on in the kremlins corridors of power but the optics are not good."
A lot of what the Russians are doing looks pretty stupid, I think once plan A failed they began to ad-lib.
Wagner are operating more or less independently of the ministry of defence and openly challenging Putin’s chain of command.
It’s impossible to know what’s going on in the kremlins corridors of power but the optics are not good.
It was reported to Putin that today it is Tuesday. (Anatoly Shary)
23 May 23
@metal-brain saidWagner Army occupied the city of Bakhmut, not the region. Outside of Bakhmut city, the Russian Army, in fact, lost tens of square kilometres recently. Right now, Ukraine is heavily bombing the city as there are no Ukrainian soldiers anymore inside of it.
After more than 290 days of intense fighting and tens of thousands of casualties, the Battle of Artyomovsk (called Bakhmut in Ukraine) is over.
On May 20, Moscow’s officials announced that Russian forces had taken full control of the province, with no more Ukrainian units in the region. With this, the bloodiest infantry battle since World War II ended. The case once ag ...[text shortened]... www.globalresearch.ca/the-battle-of-bakhmut-russian-forces-take-full-control-of-the-province/5820012
I do not dispute your evaluation that the Wagner Army is extremely efficient, particularly in the case of street battles.
However, I do not know who will win the war or what it means to say "winning the war" in the present case.
I have the opinion that whoever "wins" that war, both sides have lost it.
@eintaluj said"However, I do not know who will win the war or what it means to say "winning the war" in the present case."
Wagner Army occupied the city of Bakhmut, not the region. Outside of Bakhmut city, the Russian Army, in fact, lost tens of square kilometres recently. Right now, Ukraine is heavily bombing the city as there are no Ukrainian soldiers anymore inside of it.
I do not dispute your evaluation that the Wagner Army is extremely efficient, particularly in the case of street ...[text shortened]... r" in the present case.
I have the opinion that whoever "wins" that war, both sides have lost it.
Russia is gaining territory. That is winning.
The west just doesn't want to admit Russia is winning.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/western-media-disinformation-campaign-fall-bakhmut-case-point
24 May 23
@metal-brain saidAre you still letting that conspiracy rag determine your opinions?
After more than 290 days of intense fighting and tens of thousands of casualties, the Battle of Artyomovsk (called Bakhmut in Ukraine) is over.
On May 20, Moscow’s officials announced that Russian forces had taken full control of the province, with no more Ukrainian units in the region. With this, the bloodiest infantry battle since World War II ended. The case once ag ...[text shortened]... www.globalresearch.ca/the-battle-of-bakhmut-russian-forces-take-full-control-of-the-province/5820012
@eintaluj saidWhere to start?!
"Estonians are right to be warning Europe that if Putin gets away with annexing Ukraine, he won’t stop there."
- What "Estonians"? I am an Estonian too. And personally I do not see any difference between the following two statements:
A) "If Russia gets away with annexing Ukraine, he won’t stop there."
B) "If the US gets away with occupying Afghanistan and Iraq, he w ...[text shortened]... g of the invasion of Ukraine, Russia claimed that occupation of the whole of Ukraine is not its aim.
1) Russia is desperate to for Ukraine to return to the Russia fold. It may not have stated that as its “aim”, but it is blindingly obvious to anyone in possession of more than one brain cell.
2) Estonia has added Russia to the list of “unfriendly nations”. It was one of the first nations to offer help to Ukraine. It is not Putin’s friend.
3) Clearly, Putin’s sights are not just on Ukraine. He has become a desperate megalomaniac seeking to make Russia once again a great and powerful nation by gobbling up its former states. Failure for him is not an option.
4) The US did not invade Afghanistan and Iraq. It acted, in the case of Afghanistan, to restore civil rule against the religious lunacy of the Taliban. In the case of Iraq it acted, mistakenly, to prevent Saddam using WMD’s.
5) Your two statements are ludicrously mismatched.
Rant over.
24 May 23
@metal-brain saidI was just about to follow that link when I noticed the name Orban at the end of it.
@kevcvs57
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/its-obvious-there-will-be-no-victory-poor-ukrainians-orban
Who cares what crypto fascist homophobes think it’ll be Hungary that loses the war along with their oil daddy in the Kremlin
