Originally posted by @mghrn55I reckon we will let the philosophers and scientists continue to make us believe in the birth fairy. For it only when the fetus passes out of the womb that they magically become human once the birth fairy waves her magic secular humanist wand over them to make them human! 😵
As to the abortion issue, the topic is complex enough (when does life begin)
without the Bible punchers intruding into the debate and adding the idiot element to it.
Leave that to the philosophers and scientists to debate the issue.
Or the elite, as you so fondly like to call them.
Originally posted by @whodeyI have already granted that this is the object of the debate.
I reckon we will let the philosophers and scientists continue to make us believe in the birth fairy. For it only when the fetus passes out of the womb that they magically become human once the birth fairy waves her magic secular humanist wand over them to make them human! 😵
And there is no clear answer.
The fault line is as usual in the middle but the fiercest battles are being fought at the extremes.
Those of religious faith vs the feminists.
There is a no thought to the logistics in the middle.
How do we define when life actually begins ?
What should the date on my birth certificate be ?
Amongst many other questions out there.
This is a topic for science and philosophy.
The motivation for taking one position or the other have nothing to do with answering the question.
If I push the extreme sides of the debate, I can flush out the emotional reasons for any position taken.
For the anti-abortion, it will be morality.
Someone will wave a Bible in my face.
Sex is for procreation only.
Women's place is in the kitchen.
Etc, etc, etc ...
On the other side, the arguments will be.
Keep your hands off women's bodies, etc, etc ...
The argument will always be about morality and religion pitted against personal freedoms.
If I ask you when you think life begins, I would bet you couldn't give me an intelligent answer.
I know I couldn't answer the question.
Or at least I won't.
And I know dinosaurs didn't walk the earth 4000 years ago.
And someone didn't manage to load every species of mammals onto a boat less than half the size of the Titanic.
And that every species of mammal just happened to be within 10 miles of that boat. 😀
Ok, I'm just being facetious and funny.
But I know that you are not debating.
You are preaching.
We are evolving and that frightens a lot of you.
And I will continue to maintain that humanity should not be led by people who are frightened of humanity.
Just my opinion.
Originally posted by @mghrn55No, I never once mentioned the word God or Bible, did I?
I have already granted that this is the object of the debate.
And there is no clear answer.
The fault line is as usual in the middle but the fiercest battles are being fought at the extremes.
Those of religious faith vs the feminists.
There is a no thought to the logistics in the middle.
How do we define when life actually begins ?
What should the ...[text shortened]... tain that humanity should not be led by people who are frightened of humanity.
Just my opinion.
I'm merely questioning the humanity of abortionists. It's about life and death and the value we place on life.
Naturally, you choose to move the debate to the realm of religion so that you can glibly dismiss it, while being a condescending jerk in the process.
Kudos! Well done.
14 Mar 18
Originally posted by @sh76I guess he doesn't understand the irony that as a Dutchman, his country could have all sorts of odd nicknames, most worse than "Fatland". Hashland and Hoeland come to mind.
Using derogatory nicknames for countries demonstrates all the intellectual maturity of an Onion article.
https://www.theonion.com/man-has-derogatory-nickname-for-every-neighboring-town-1819566758
14 Mar 18
Originally posted by @whodeyWhen you question the humanity of abortionists, it means you have already decided on the start point of life.
No, I never once mentioned the word God or Bible, did I?
I'm merely questioning the humanity of abortionists. It's about life and death and the value we place on life.
Naturally, you choose to move the debate to the realm of religion so that you can glibly dismiss it, while being a condescending jerk in the process.
Kudos! Well done.
So .... How did you arrive at that point ?
Did you have a logical thought process ?
Or did something else drive you ?
Originally posted by @whodeyNo, it isn't "about life...", you dirty liar.
No, I never once mentioned the word God or Bible, did I?
I'm merely questioning the humanity of abortionists. It's about life and death and the value we place on life.
Naturally, you choose to move the debate to the realm of religion so that you can glibly dismiss it, while being a condescending jerk in the process.
Kudos! Well done.
You're against abortion because your dumb bible tells you so. Once the baby has been born your only concerns are "I won't have to pay for it, right?" and "It had better not grow up to become a politician and take muh guns away!"
14 Mar 18
Originally posted by @great-king-ratOr even worse, that baby could grow up to be a liberal. 😲
No, it isn't "about life...", you dirty liar.
You're against abortion because your dumb bible tells you so. Once the baby has been born your only concerns are "I won't have to pay for it, right?" and "It had better not grow up to become a politician and take muh guns away!"
14 Mar 18
Originally posted by @ashiitakaNeither Hashland nor Hoeland sound like particularly bad nicknames to me. I like them.
I guess he doesn't understand the irony that as a Dutchman, his country could have all sorts of odd nicknames, most worse than "Fatland". Hashland and Hoeland come to mind.
We prefer to call ourselves Cheeseheads.
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Originally posted by @ashiitakaTo an English tourist, maybe. Perhaps if you dumbf*&^s bothered to look beyond the stupidest parts of Amsterdam, you wouldn't look so foolish.
I guess he doesn't understand the irony that as a Dutchman, his country could have all sorts of odd nicknames, most worse than "Fatland". Hashland and Hoeland come to mind.
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14 Mar 18
Originally posted by @great-king-ratWrong. He's against abortion because both of you are dumb enough to believe that the Bible, a lot wiser than either of you, tells him so. Both of you are wrong in this belief.
You're against abortion because your dumb bible tells you so.
14 Mar 18
Originally posted by @mghrn55An unborn infant is human.
When you question the humanity of abortionists, it means you have already decided on the start point of life.
So .... How did you arrive at that point ?
Did you have a logical thought process ?
Or did something else drive you ?
At least, they seem to come out that way 99.9% of the time.
Originally posted by @great-king-ratI know of atheists who oppose abortion, so you are wrong, it is not just an issue about religion.
No, it isn't "about life...", you dirty liar.
You're against abortion because your dumb bible tells you so. Once the baby has been born your only concerns are "I won't have to pay for it, right?" and "It had better not grow up to become a politician and take muh guns away!"
I don't know too many people who desire an abortion. Usually it is because they feel as though they can't afford the child or care for the child. Abortion is not ideal, it is a surgical procedure unlike a face lift to make yourself feel better about yourself.
Then again, I never met your mama.
As for my dumb Bible, it would seem that it has a tad fewer adherents than your mindless hate filled rants.