17 Sep 07
Originally posted by PalynkaBank of America my friend is giving credit cards to illegals immigrants and they are proud of it. Why? Well, they claim its because the US should be the land of opportunity for everyone, legal or not
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This statement is a tour-de-force in American Conservatism. No banks would give credit to anyone without proper papers.
Real reason, they can charge them a higher interest rate
As for proper papers... don't make me laugh
They also know that when these illegals default, they can get the other legit BOA customers topay for it through higher fees etc.
17 Sep 07
Originally posted by SquelchbelchThough I personally doubt that it was entirely about oil, I find it amazing that there are still people out there who are so ignorant as to think that the war was about WMDs. And where did you get the bit about the UN from? The UN did not sanction the war.
I cannot believe I have been so utterly duped. I thought it was all about Saddam's stockpiling of WMD & his lack of compliance with UN resolution after UN resolution.
My personal guesses about the reasons for the war are:
1. A desire to secure the oil.
2. A desire to drive up the price of oil.
3. A desire to make money in the arms industry.
4. A desire to keep the focus away from local politics.
5. A desire to keep the patriotic American public focused on something.
6. A desire to have excuses for gaining more power.
7. A desire to cover up the fact that the Afganistan war was a failure and actually catch someone important. (Sadam rather than bin Laden).
8. A desire to make money off all the 'rebuilding' etc.
War situations make for some of the best money making opportunities for politicians and other politically connected people. There is more corruption in the arms industry than any other industry and there was more corruption and misspending surrounding the Iraq war than any other part of the world.
17 Sep 07
Originally posted by twhiteheadSo you have to guess (8 guesses in all) about the reasons for the war but yet you call other people ignorant because their guess is different from yours. Someone can conclude that you are equally ignorant.
Though I personally doubt that it was entirely about oil, I find it amazing that there are still people out there who are so ignorant as to think that the war was about WMDs. And where did you get the bit about the UN from? The UN did not sanction the war.
My personal guesses about the reasons for the war are:
1. A desire to secure the oil.
2. A desi ...[text shortened]... was more corruption and misspending surrounding the Iraq war than any other part of the world.
Also Squelchbelch did not say the UN sanctioned the war. He said Saddam did not comply with UN resolutions, which is a fact.
17 Sep 07
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Originally posted by Rajk999He didn't say he guessed, he said he was duped. There is plenty of publicly available evidence and has been from before the war started that the war was not about WMDs.
So you have to [b]guess (8 guesses in all) about the reasons for the war but yet you call other people ignorant because their guess is different from yours. Someone can conclude that you are equally ignorant.[/b]
17 Sep 07
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Originally posted by twhiteheadThis was extracted from a Washington Post story today when they talked to Greenspan after this furor broke out:
He didn't say he guessed, he said he was duped. There is plenty of publicly available evidence and has been from before the war started that the war was not about WMDs.
Greenspan also told The Post that he never heard either President Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney say "basically, 'We've got to protect the oil supplies of the world.'" Greenspan said that did not stop him from airing his views to the commander in chief.
So, as I was saying... Mr. Greespan was just hyping his book for bigger sales
Here is a link to the entire story:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601287.html?hpid=topnews
17 Sep 07
Originally posted by Squelchbelchlol man, you think? what is so shocking about that?
The principle reason for the US going to war was to secure the Iraqi oilfields.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2461214.ece
...according to the guy who really ran the US economy for nearly 20 years.
I cannot believe I have been so utterly duped. I thought it was all about Saddam's stockpiling of WMD & his lack of compliance with UN resolution after UN resolution.
it is like finding proof santa clause doesn't exist(no? really?)
17 Sep 07
Originally posted by SquelchbelchThat was one of the reasons to wage war against Saddam. We all knew that .... well, I knew that ..... besides, all reasons are interrelated .....
The principle reason for the US going to war was to secure the Iraqi oilfields.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article2461214.ece
...according to the guy who really ran the US economy for nearly 20 years.
I cannot believe I have been so utterly duped. I thought it was all about Saddam's stockpiling of WMD & his lack of compliance with UN resolution after UN resolution.
Interesting question is of course: How come you didn't know ?
17 Sep 07
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Originally posted by twhiteheadEvidence? Really ?
He didn't say he guessed, he said he was duped. There is plenty of publicly available evidence and has been from before the war started that the war was not about WMDs.
Do you have any so-called evidence that Bush said "We are invading Iraq because have:
1. A desire to secure the oil.
2. A desire to drive up the price of oil.
3. A desire to make money in the arms industry.
4. A desire to keep the focus away from local politics.
5. A desire to keep the patriotic American public focused on something.
6. A desire to have excuses for gaining more power.
7. A desire to cover up the fact that the Afganistan war was a failure and actually catch someone important. (Sadam rather than bin Laden).
8. A desire to make money off all the 'rebuilding' etc. " ?
Because anything else that 'them' say or 'she' say or 'he' say is evidence to a fool (also called hearsay).
17 Sep 07
Originally posted by SquelchbelchI didn't know Tony Blair was God fearing. Actually, God is not to be feared, so Mr Blair should stop being paranoid.
GWB would not knowingly lie to the US people - of that I am 100% certain. He is a virtuous, God-fearing & humble man, as is Tony Blair.
As for liberals who claim to be compassionate, you'd think they show some. After all, we are all human and prone to mistakes. I blame Dubya's Dad for part of whats going on. He should have kept on going in the first Gulf war and finished the job and then the world could have been done with Saddam and his regime earlier. But unfortunately, IMHO, Bush the Senior choose to show compassion and stick to his promise to only evict Iraq from Kuwait. Hindsight is 20-20 I suppose Thats the only mistake I see in this whole thing
17 Sep 07
Originally posted by SMSBear716Really?! You don't think there were any mistakes in the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq? It could not have gone better?
I didn't know Tony Blair was God fearing. Actually, God is not to be feared, so Mr Blair should stop being paranoid.
As for liberals who claim to be compassionate, you'd think they show some. After all, we are all human and prone to mistakes. I blame Dubya's Dad for part of whats going on. He should have kept on going in the first Gulf war and finishe ...[text shortened]... aq from Kuwait. Hindsight is 20-20 I suppose Thats the only mistake I see in this whole thing
17 Sep 07
Originally posted by TheSkipperYou'll have to dig deep and use some compassion. The U.S. Army doesn't have the capacity for grand strategic vision that you pretend to have.
Really?! You don't think there were any mistakes in the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq? It could not have gone better?
18 Sep 07
Originally posted by SMSBear716Colin Powell went to Bush 1 and convinced him to stop the fighting and not continue to Baghdad because the war was too 'brutal'. Powell himself, has written this in his book. Saddams' regime survived due to C. POWELL.
I blame Dubya's Dad for part of whats going on. He should have kept on going in the first Gulf war and finished the job and the world could have been done with Saddam earlier. But unfortunately, IMHO, Bush the Senior choose to show compassion and stick to his promise to only evict Iraq from Kuwait.
18 Sep 07
Originally posted by PalynkaAnd your statement is highly uninformed -- banks in the United States do give credit to illegal aliens so they can buy homes. They are even so blatant as to advertise in the Spanish-language newspapers you can get for free at the laundromat.
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This statement is a tour-de-force in American Conservatism. No banks would give credit to anyone without proper papers.