20 Aug 23
@athousandyoung saidYes. But EU countries are very unlikely to go to war together. They’re bound by many treaties, economic prosperity, etc.
I thought the EU had no military role - that they were only an economic union.
It’s one of the core reasons it was set up (because European nations had a tendency to fight with each other).
There are also options for an EU army available.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy
20 Aug 23
@shavixmir saidRussia would not join any organization with good intent. They would attempt to use the organization to achieve their geopolitical goals.
Yes. But EU countries are very unlikely to go to war together. They’re bound by many treaties, economic prosperity, etc.
It’s one of the core reasons it was set up (because European nations had a tendency to fight with each other).
There are also options for an EU army available.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy
Russia is not bound by any of that so if it joined the EU the situation would be different.
20 Aug 23
@shavixmir saidNATO membership would stop conflicts between Russia and the West, it wouldn't prevent non-European nations from being invaded.
We’re all in the UN together. Hasn’t stopped the countries from invading each other. Why would NATO achieve that which the UN hasn’t?
20 Aug 23
@vivify saidI made a mistake. It wasn't Stian Jenssen but Lord Singh from the UK House of Lords:
A few weeks ago, Stian Jenssen, the chief of staff to the NATO secretary general, suggested Russia join NATO to end the war in Ukraine.
It was actually https://bnn.network/breaking-news/uk-house-of-lords-peer-suggests-offering-nato-membership-to-russia/
20 Aug 23
@Metal-Brain
What it really is is to stop Putin from rebuilding the Soviet empire. That empire came about from force not negotiations and we don't need more of that.
I know you hate the US but it was NATO that came in to help us on 911.
And now Finland and Sweden will be in NATO also so that will deter Putin from attacking them again. If Russia was a real democracy with negotiation with other nations there would be much less need for NATO but that is not what is going on in Russia right now, Putin OWNS Russia, he has a net worth of some 300 BILLION or maybe even more.
20 Aug 23
@athousandyoung saidAny NATO country that attacks another country cannot invoke the NATO contract of mutual Defense, Russia would have to be attacked in order for the rest of NATO to be under any obligation to an assist them.
Foreseeable problem:
Russia joins NATO. Russia then picks a fight with a neighbor who is not in NATO. Russia then demands NATO assist it in subduing the country that it's fighting with.
Avoidance of this sort of problem is why Turkey and Greece were admitted into NATO at the same time so they could not try this method against the other.
20 Aug 23
@kevcvs57 saidYes but there's a lot Russia could do to provoke other countries
Any NATO country that attacks another country cannot invoke the NATO contract of mutual Defense, Russia would have to be attacked in order for the rest of NATO to be under any obligation to an assist them.
21 Aug 23
ATY brings up a good point. What if Russia uses NATO as part of a scheme rather than for its intended purpose? What if Russia attacks another member after it joins? Would it try to use membership to block retaliation?
Russia is still a lead by a conniving, lying dictator but there certain political requirements all nations must meet prior to joining NATO, and a fair democratic system is one of them....even though nations like Turkey certainly test such requirements.
21 Aug 23
@sonhouse saidWhere did you hear all that crap about rebuilding the Soviet empire? Someone gave you a cheesy line from star wars and you bought into it. You sound like Reagan with his evil empire speech.
@Metal-Brain
What it really is is to stop Putin from rebuilding the Soviet empire. That empire came about from force not negotiations and we don't need more of that.
I know you hate the US but it was NATO that came in to help us on 911.
And now Finland and Sweden will be in NATO also so that will deter Putin from attacking them again. If Russia was a real democracy with n ...[text shortened]... n in Russia right now, Putin OWNS Russia, he has a net worth of some 300 BILLION or maybe even more.
Knock off the bogeyman rhetoric. You are a foolish mouthpiece for propaganda.
21 Aug 23
@vivify saidPutin is popular in Russia. Where is your evidence he is a dictator?
ATY brings up a good point. What if Russia uses NATO as part of a scheme rather than for its intended purpose? What if Russia attacks another member after it joins? Would it try to use membership to block retaliation?
Russia is still a lead by a conniving, lying dictator but there certain political requirements all nations must meet prior to joining NATO, and a fair democratic system is one of them....even though nations like Turkey certainly test such requirements.
21 Aug 23
@sonhouse saidNot sure what the point is, how many countries have attacked the UK or US Vs the other way around.
@kevcvs57
Since WW2 how many nations have attacked Russia Vs the other way round?
Countries cannot just magically join NATO or the EU there are certain democratic and political / foreign policy criteria that have to be met
21 Aug 23
@athousandyoung saidWell all countries provoke other countries but if a NATO country attacks another country the mutual defence articles cannot be invoked, it’s one of the rules.
Yes but there's a lot Russia could do to provoke other countries
@metal-brain saidNo free press and the imprisonment / assassination of political opponents.
Putin is popular in Russia. Where is your evidence he is a dictator?
There’s two big dead give always right there.