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Originally posted by no1marauder
Perhaps 10 minutes of electrical discipline before Barney every day would be sufficient to completely break their spirit and submit to any authority ever claimed over them. That seems to be in accord with your general view on the value of the average member of the human race.

Again, think we can test that on you ?

Originally posted by pcaspian
Originally posted by no1marauder
[b] Perhaps 10 minutes of electrical discipline before Barney every day would be sufficient to completely break their spirit and submit to any authority ever claimed over them. That seems to be in accord with your general view on the value of the average member of the human race.

Again, think we can test that on you ?[/b]

Originally posted by no1marauder
As most born agains of your ilk are exhibiting symptons of deep-rooted sadomasochistic tendencies and fantasies, I'm sure you would find such a treatment far more pleasurable than I would.

We'll never know until we try. I'll get the battery, you get the stop watch. Can anyone bring the video camera ?

Originally posted by pcaspian
Originally posted by no1marauder
[b] As most born agains of your ilk are exhibiting symptons of deep-rooted sadomasochistic tendencies and fantasies, I'm sure you would find such a treatment far more pleasurable than I would.

We'll never know until we try. I'll get the battery, you get the stop watch. Can anyone bring the video camera ?[/b]

Originally posted by Ravello
Hey pcasp,why don't you come to express your beliefs here? New ''Holy Wars'' forum available at http://michaeldweber.com/forumwars/viewforum.php?f=8&sid=cc59d44e6d9b1cc43702842c3701bfe2
Uh,the invite is also for no1,your friend rapalla has returned in full duty.......

Raising kids is not a craft, but an emotional drama.

In my case, they were both twice as smart as me.

Never punish a child when you are not angry. They don't connect to that. They think you are being arbitrary.

Punish a child when you are angry and be sure to show a lot of anger. It is so very human that it reassures them. They too get angry. In case you have forgotten what it was like to be three years old and denied your wants.

Physical punishment need be nothing more.... indeed should never be more... than a single rap of a knuckle on the top of the head. That is the most universal and "primate" reaction to children in the world. Don't try to hurt them. Just get their attention and vent your anger. They will be healthy. You will be happy.

They don't call us "knuckle heads" for nothing you know.

By showing ALL emotions, joy, happiness, playfullness and indeed anger... you are teaching your kid to get along in the real world. These are all vital and valuable gifts we call "Us".

Originally posted by telerion

In the long run, however, repeated physical violence will at best, mold a child that is no better behaved than most responsible individuals brought up under other discipline regimes. In many cases however this tactic produces an angry or violent young adult.

I dare say an angry or violent child is a result of an abusive father. I knew a few children who were bullied at home and ended up bullying at school. My only fear with giving hidings will be breaking the childs spirit, which clearly you don't want to do.

The Bible preaches to never hit in anger, and this is an approach I will try to adopt. I've never been hit by my father, only my mother, and even then only rarely. At school I was given a hiding unfairly twice and I did bear quite some resentment.

I think the only events I will give hidings for are disrespecting adults as well as severe misbehaving. Children will be children and will always cause mischief, and I feel respecting one's elders are more important than simply being 'good'.

But ofcourse, hidings should never be the sole measure of punishment. In the long run, should no additional parenting be provided, it will be harmfull. In the right hands however, a child really doesn't need a substantial amount of hidings to get the drift. Ofcourse explaining to that child why they were punished and letting them know you are 'ok' with them after the hiding is essential. I think I would rather have been been given a hiding and gotton it over with, than to be in my parents bad books for a prolonged period of time.

Originally posted by StarValleyWy

Punish a child when you are angry and be sure to show a lot of anger. It is so very human that it reassures them. They too get angry. In case you have forgotten what it was like to be three years old and denied your wants.

My only fears with that are :
1. They may associate you getting angry with them getting hurt. IE: They may fear you watching a football game and getting angry at the referee.
2. Anger leads to rash decisions and regret.


Physical punishment need be nothing more.... indeed should never be more... than a single rap of a knuckle on the top of the head. That is the most universal and "primate" reaction to children in the world. Don't try to hurt them. Just get their attention and vent your anger. They will be healthy. You will be happy.


Dunno Star, seems that kills braincells. A quick smack on the arse is fairly safe.

Originally posted by pcaspian
Originally posted by StarValleyWy
[b]
Punish a child when you are angry and be sure to show a lot of anger. It is so very human that it reassures them. They too get angry. In case you have forgotten what it was like to be three years old and denied your wants.

My only fears with that are :
1. They may associate you getting angry with them ...[text shortened]... ppy.
[/b]

Dunno Star, seems that kills braincells. A quick smack on the arse is fairly safe.[/b]

I think my decision not to use corporal punishment came from my experiences as a child and those of my siblings. We got it pretty bad as kids, especially us older ones. Fortunately for me, my mind got me out (and the hard work of my mother and grandfather). I left home when I was twelve to go to high school on scholarship. I'm getting a PhD and so far the next two in line dropped out of high school and spent time in jail. They haven't been able to hold down jobs and hate their father (my step father) deeply. They've got a lot of issues to deal with and a lot responsibility to step up to.

When I left home, I lived with other families, several of which used corporal punishment (on their children not me. I incurred little discipline from any authority figure from the age of twelve on).

One family in particular was very careful not to strike their children while angry. They'd schedule an appt.; deliver the sentence; and then follow up with a talk and some hugs. The last I knew both of their kids are stable, functioning adults.

I thought about using this method with my child, but again there are risks. Given that I'm impatient, I could easily break the rules and spank my daughter when angry. If you do this to often the whole system breaks down. Also something about watching them go through the process of appointment, sentence, and therapy seemed a little weird for me.

You are wrong. The cranium is the strongest and best built part of our anatomy. Because? That's where we keep the jewels.

I don't know SVW, but I keep my jewels a little farther down if you know what I mean.

Originally posted by telerion
[b]You are wrong. The cranium is the strongest and best built part of our anatomy. Because? That's where we keep the jewels.

I don't know SVW, but I keep my jewels a little farther down if you know what I mean.[/b]