Snowden, America and human rights

Originally posted by moon1969
Not even Snowden's attorney would make that wild hairbrained legally unsound argument. Read the law dumbass.

What is your source of information?

It is called the 4th constitutional amendment right...dumbass!

Originally posted by moon1969
The Supreme Court is the top court in our country and the ultimate arbiter of the Constitution.

For those who do not like our system, our courts, our laws, they should leave America and refrain from breaking American laws.

No serious person denies what Snowden did was illegal. Even the most libertarian and government-hating legal scholars do not deny ...[text shortened]... in the circumstances, but your arguments that somehow Snowden did not break the law are stupid.

Do you believe torture is not punishment? Yes or no?

Originally posted by Metal Brain
Do you believe torture is not punishment? Yes or no?

Which Supreme Court ruling are you referring to?

Originally posted by Metal Brain
Classified information that violates the 4th constitutional amendment. That is not a crime, that is a service to our country. Snowden is a hero that used his 1st constitutional amendment rights to expose an unconstitutional act that violated the 4th amendment.
You Dutch would not know much about that though. This is our constitution, not yours. You Dutch do have one, right?

If indeed Snowden actually obtained confidential information without the US's permission and his defense is that he is a hero using his 1st Amendment rights, he will be convicted swiftly.

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
Which Supreme Court ruling are you referring to?

SCOTUS.

Do you believe torture is not punishment, yes or no?

Originally posted by Metal Brain
SCOTUS.

Do you believe torture is not punishment, yes or no?

Give us some SCOTUS quotes your mastery of acronyms has no power here

Originally posted by quackquack
If indeed Snowden actually obtained confidential information without the US's permission and his defense is that he is a hero using his 1st Amendment rights, he will be convicted swiftly.

The government is violating the 4th constitutional amendment. Any corrupt regime can get a conviction. That is not the issue here.

Do you believe torture is not punishment? Yes or no?

Originally posted by Metal Brain
The government is violating the 4th constitutional amendment. Any corrupt regime can get a conviction. That is not the issue here.

Do you believe torture is not punishment? Yes or no?

Stop being stupid Metal Brain we can see your transparent games you are not SCOTUS so stfu

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Give us some SCOTUS quotes your mastery of acronyms has no power here

Justice Scalia says torture is not punishment.

YouTube

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18921328

Either you believe in upholding the constitution or you don't. Do you? Yes or no?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Stop being stupid Metal Brain we can see your transparent games you are not SCOTUS so stfu

There is nothing stupid about asking you if you believe in the constitution. Is Scalia right when he says torture is not punishment? Yes or no?

I'm asking you for your opinion here, not Scalia's. It is a simple question that you are trying really hard to avoid, why? Is it because you can't defend Scalia and don't want to show your true opinion?

Originally posted by sh76
What does all that have to do with Snowden? This is not an issue of preaching to Russia or anyone else. Snowden knowingly committed a crime in the US. Trying to get him back to put him on trial is hardly a human rights violation. Gitmo and the Texas conviction review system really had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Yes...you are correct, this link (and Mr. Snowden) has very little to do with human rights, and perhaps I should have not posted it, it was about 2AM here, and I was half asleep when I wrote this. Mr. Snowden aside however, the good old USA still looks pretty hypocritical on the human rights front, and has little cause to lecture other countries on this topic.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
Justice Scalia says torture is not punishment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPqjCM6e5oM

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18921328

Either you believe in upholding the constitution or you don't. Do you? Yes or no?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

You said, "The supreme court? The court that determined that torture is not punishment? LOL!"

Was your example:

A: A supreme court ruling

or

B: An opinion spoken outside of the courtroom by only one of the nine members of the Supreme Court?

In what ruling did the Supreme Court determine that torture is not punishment?

Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
You said, "The supreme court? The court that determined that torture is not punishment? LOL!"

Was your example:

A: A supreme court ruling

or

B: An opinion spoken outside of the courtroom by only one of the nine members of the Supreme Court?

In what ruling did the Supreme Court determine that torture is not punishment?

SCOTUS would not even accept the appeal which I find unacceptable. An explanation and interpretation of the constitution should be given by SCOTUS.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0611/Supreme-Court-declines-case-accusing-Donald-Rumsfeld-of-torture