Debates
16 Oct 20
19 Oct 20
@lemon-lime saidBecause, you know, voter disenfranchisement.
Instead of making policy decisions based on polls, why not just put it to a vote.
Why not let The People decide? Or can't they be trusted to make the right decisions.
Or did you forget about that? I notice you didn't mention non-existent "voter fraud".
19 Oct 20
@lemon-lime saidOur country has some seriously anti-democratic institutions as well as attempts by a certain well-known political party to suppress voter turnout in any way possible.
Instead of making policy decisions based on polls, why not just put it to a vote.
Why not let The People decide? Or can't they be trusted to make the right decisions.
But it is being put to a vote in a way, just like it was in 2018, though it is just one of many issues.
19 Oct 20
@suzianne said
Because, you know, voter disenfranchisement.
Or did you forget about that? I notice you didn't mention non-existent "voter fraud".
I notice you didn't meantion non-existent "voter fraud".So what? I notice you didn't mention " one person, one vote".
Not relevant to what is being discussed here, but thanks for playing "What's my line?"
19 Oct 20
@kevcvs57 saidKev,
Your not making any sense if your attempting to reply to my post earl.
Green technologies and infrastructure pay for themselves after a time it’s an investment for the taxpayer. You get on the green technology bandwagon or you get left behind as a fossil based economy.
It doesn’t surprise me that you front for big oil companies regardless of how much they cost the taxpayer ...[text shortened]... n save the tax payer on a reduced military bill from not having to ‘defend’ oil and its supply line.
If the green wave can save consumers that kind of money, or even a percentage of that,
private industry would go in that direction. Electric vehicles may be an example.
But in no way can $5-9 Trillion a year taxation be justified. That CAN'T save that much money.
19 Oct 20
@no1marauder
I'm willing to travel back to the early 1700's and explain this to you in person, however...
Time travel in the 21st century has still proven to be an impossibly. Perhaps sonhouse can give us a rough estimation of when this might become possible, but even so it could be another two or three hundred years from now. So if you come home one evening and are greated by a mans head floating in a jar, don't freak out... it's just me.
trick or treat
smell my feet
give me something good to eat
19 Oct 20
@lemon-lime saidI have no idea what you are trying to say so it is hard to respond to it.
@no1marauder
I'm willing to travel back to the early 1700's and explain this to you in person, however...
Time travel in the 21st century has still proven to be an impossibly. Perhaps sonhouse can give us a rough estimation of when this might become possible, but even so it could be another two or three hundred years from now. So if you come home one evening and are gr ...[text shortened]... reak out... it's just me.
trick or treat
smell my feet
give me something good to eat
IF you are claiming that it is impossible to do anything that effects climate change, I strongly disagree.
IF it's something else, please clearly state what it is.
19 Oct 20
@earl-of-trumps saidNo one is proposing such a level of taxation for GND projects.
Kev,
If the green wave can save consumers that kind of money, or even a percentage of that,
private industry would go in that direction. Electric vehicles may be an example.
But in no way can $5-9 Trillion a year taxation be justified. That CAN'T save that much money.
The fact is that for profit corporations are shortsighted and corporate management is most interested in short term profit. Thus beneficial long term investments are usually underfunded by the market esp. when they have significant positive externalities which benefit others but not those making the investment.
19 Oct 20
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@no1marauder saidYou seem to be oblivious to the many positive changes that have rapidly occurred since the founding of this nation.
I have no idea what you are trying to say so it is hard to respond to it.
IF you are claiming that it is impossible to do anything that effects climate change, I strongly disagree.
IF it's something else, please clearly state what it is.
Excessive taxation does nothing to encourage innovation and entrepreneurial pursuits. By that I mean organic innovation and business... not the sort of stifling government control over privately owned and run enterprises we see today. Too much government control slows down progress, so either the moniker 'progressive' is a misnomer or it represents an unattainable ideal.
19 Oct 20
@lemon-lime saidProgressive policies enacted in starting in the late 1800s and continuing for more than 100 years ameliorated the unfortunate byproducts of laissez faire capitalism and led to greater widespread prosperity.
You seem to be oblivious to the many positive changes that have rapidly occurred since the founding of this nation.
Excessive taxation does nothing to encourage innovation and entrepreneurial pursuits. By that I mean organic entrepreneurial pursuits, and not the sort of stifling government control over entrepreneurial pursuits we see today. Too much government co ...[text shortened]... progress, so either the moniker 'progressive' is a misnomer or it represents an unattainable ideal.
40 years of reducing taxes for the rich and trying to dismantle necessary social welfare policies have destabilized the economy.
So which is better?
19 Oct 20
@no1marauder said
Progressive policies enacted in starting in the late 1800s and continuing for more than 100 years ameliorated the unfortunate byproducts of laissez faire capitalism and led to greater widespread prosperity.
40 years of reducing taxes for the rich and trying to dismantle necessary social welfare policies have destabilized the economy.
So which is better?
Progressive policies enacted in starting in the late 1800s and continuing for more than 100 yearsWell duh, that's why I'll be setting the clock in my way-back-machine to the 1700's.
It's your grandparents, Mauder! Something has to be done about your grandparents !!
19 Oct 20
@suzianne saidHey Suzianne, been looking all over the Forum for you ,,,,guess what! The receipt signed by Hunter when he dropped of the lap top...It has been found! Replete with his signature. So although you and I weren't sure about this yesterday, now we know. Not a lie, I guess?
Because, you know, voter disenfranchisement.
Or did you forget about that? I notice you didn't mention non-existent "voter fraud".