06 Aug 09
Originally posted by Sam The ShamWrong on both points. Just keep on reading the thread.
Article has one problem. It's a complete work of fiction.
1. Somalia doesn't have a fishing industry and no one is fishing off it's shores anyway. (Because of the pirate problem)
2. No one is dumping any nuclear waste in the ocean.
It's just typical blabbering of the black bay area newspaper, nothing is their fault, whities the devil, etc, etc.
06 Aug 09
Originally posted by Sam The ShamSays you. Evidence for this claim would be most welcome.
Article has one problem. It's a complete work of fiction.
1. Somalia doesn't have a fishing industry and no one is fishing off it's shores anyway. (Because of the pirate problem)
2. No one is dumping any nuclear waste in the ocean.
It's just typical blabbering of the black bay area newspaper, nothing is their fault, whities the devil, etc, etc.
In the meantime (I posted this when last this topic was discussed, and it makes for interesting reading whatever your thoughts on the piracy issue):
http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/files/12203_1008piracysomalia.pdf
06 Aug 09
Originally posted by DrKFThe funny part is that I already provided for that evidence later on in the thread.
Says you. Evidence for this claim would be most welcome.
In the meantime (I posted this when last this topic was discussed, and it makes for interesting reading whatever your thoughts on the piracy issue):
http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/files/12203_1008piracysomalia.pdf
06 Aug 09
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Originally posted by adam warlockThe really funny part is the link doesn't say anything about nuclear dumping or Somalian fishing being hurt or anyone fishing around Somalia.
The funny part is that I already provided for that evidence later on in the thread.
Edit:
ahhh....I found the link you refer to.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article418665.ece
I think that's hilarious. But since it just happened, what does that have to do with the pirates?
06 Aug 09
Originally posted by adam warlockonly a stupid person would be in favor of piracy.
I always answer a stupid question with an even stupider answer! 😏
if you think its so good then why don't you move to somalia?
its easy to say you're in favor of piracy when you haven't even experienced it.
I see, you're just another "anarchist" posting from his local starbucks.
06 Aug 09
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You know, defense attorneys make these sorts of arguments all the time.
"Don't put my client in jail. His mommy didn't give him a lolly when he was 4."
"My client only had to steal because he's been repressed by society."
"We shouldn't judge the less fortunate."
But, they do it for money (or sometimes, because they're ethically obligated to; such as in the case of a court appointment). Why someone would do it when they're not getting paid to is beyond me.
06 Aug 09
Originally posted by sh76And yet there was you with your sullen defensive silence about Carter's pro-fascist foreign policy a few weeks ago. Were you "getting paid" for that or do you feel as if you are in some way "a court appointment" when such a topic, relating to your own country, comes up on an international web site like this?
You know, defense attorneys make these sorts of arguments all the time. [...] But, they do it for money (or sometimes, because they're ethically obligated to; such as in the case of a court appointment). Why someone would do it when they're not getting paid to is beyond me.
06 Aug 09
Originally posted by sh76What argument are you talking about?
You know, defense attorneys make these sorts of arguments all the time.
"Don't put my client in jail. His mommy didn't give him a lolly when he was 4."
"My client only had to steal because he's been repressed by society."
"We shouldn't judge the less fortunate."
But, they do it for money (or sometimes, because they're ethically obligated to; such ...[text shortened]... appointment). Why someone would do it when they're not getting paid to is beyond me.
06 Aug 09
Originally posted by generalissimoDo you want me to enumerate all the fallacies you just committed, oh great genius one?
only a stupid person would be in favor of piracy.
if you think its so good then why don't you move to somalia?
its easy to say you're in favor of piracy when you haven't even experienced it.
I see, you're just another "anarchist" posting from his local starbucks.
06 Aug 09
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Originally posted by adam warlockThis one (from the article):
What argument are you talking about?
During the revolutionary war in America, George Washington and America’s founding fathers paid pirates to protect America’s territorial waters, because they had no navy or coast guard of their own. Most Americans supported them. Is this so different?
Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our nuclear waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We didn’t act on those crimes – but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit corridor for 20 percent of the world’s oil supply, we begin to shriek about “evil.” If we really want to deal with piracy, we need to stop its root cause – our crimes – before we send in the gunboats to root out Somalia’s criminals.
The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarized by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know “what he meant by keeping possession of the sea.” The pirate smiled and responded: “What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor.”
Once again, our great imperial fleets sail in today – but who is the robber?
(emphasis added)