I cannot wait to see this forum's reaction to this.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/08/nx-s1-5182888/4b-movement-trump-south-korea
Boycott men? South Korea's 4B movement gains traction in the U.S. after Trump's win
Following President-elect Trump’s victory — which was fueled by male voters and to many looked like a referendum on reproductive rights — some young American women are talking about boycotting men.
The idea comes from the South Korean movement known as 4B, or the 4 No’s (bi means “not” in Korean). It calls for the refusal of dating men (biyeonae), sexual relationships with men (bisekseu), heterosexual marriage (bihon) and childbirth (bichulsan).
Interest in the 4B movement has surged in the days since the election, with Google searches spiking and the hashtag taking off on social media. Scores of young women are exploring and promoting the idea in posts on platforms like TikTok and X.
“I think it’s time for American women to participate in our own 4B movement,” one woman posted on TikTok. “If men won’t respect our bodies, they don’t get access to our bodies.”
“Ladies, we need to start considering the 4B movement like the women in South Korea and give America a severely sharp birth rate decline,” reads one tweet with over 470,000 likes. “We can’t let these men have the last laugh… we need to bite back.”
“It’s time to close off your wombs to males,” reads another viral post. “This election proves now more than ever that they hate us & hate us proudly. Do not reward them.”
Several recent tweets from far-right men with large social media followings would seem to illustrate their point.
Nicholas Fuentes, a white nationalist and Holocaust denier — whom Trump was criticized for hosting at a dinner at his Mar-a-Lago resort in 2022 — tweeted, “Your body, my choice. Forever,” as the results turned in Trump’s favor on Election Night. The tweet got 40,000 likes.
Social media users have since noticed a pattern of men commenting that phrase, or similar, on women’s TikTok posts.
Another, Jon Miller, who describes himself as a moderate and “fair & balanced political commentator,” tweeted on Wednesday, “women threatening sex strikes like LMAO as if you have a say.” The post has gotten over 50 million views, sparked considerable backlash and was appended with a community note clarifying that sex without consent is rape.
Ju Hui Judy Han, a gender studies professor at the University of California Los Angeles who also specializes in Korean studies, says the growing interest in 4B at this moment is understandable.
“Clearly, this is about American women trying to find sources of leverage, sources of empowerment that can, in the short-term, make them feel like they have some agency … in these dire times, with the election and Roe v. Wade behind us,” Han told NPR.
That said, she was surprised to see it take off so suddenly this week, in large part because the movement is so specific to South Korean society and what she describes as its “culture of compulsory marriage” and childbirth.
Where did 4B come from — and could it catch on somewhere else?
(I'll leave the rest of the article for you to read, but it is very interesting. It covers the state of relationships in South Korea and how the dissatisfaction of women is tied to their system of patriarchy. We can relate, ladies. In a world where 55% of men voted for Donald Trump, men may finally have started to push too hard. This could catch on here. -- Suzi)
Long before the election, South Korean women were already moving toward that direction. But it wasn't withholding sex, it was abstaining from relationships completely.
The reason is because marriage in South Korea meant giving up her career. The expectations for women to confirm to domestic and traditional roles made working impossible.
There's a similar problem with Japan, though both sexes there have young people giving up on relationships.
Even if Harris won, this trend would have continued in South Korea.
There's also a movie by Spike Lee called "Chi-Raq", where women in Chicago refuse to have sex with men until the violence stops.
It should also be pointed out that if women in the U.S. deliberately withheld sex as a tool to regain abortion rights, only liberal men would be affected.
They'd become a laughingstock to right-wingers (I mean even more than they already are) while leftists men would become resentful. Realistically, such an act would simply drive more men toward the Republican party.
@vivify saidJust means the hoes will start charging more.
It should also be pointed out that if women in the U.S. deliberately withheld sex as a tool to regain abortion rights, only liberal men would be affected.
They'd become a laughingstock to right-wingers (I mean even more than they already are) while leftists men would become resentful. Realistically, such an act would simply drive more men toward the Republican party.
Supply and demand, baby! 🙂
@Suzianne saidSounds like good news for many men. All decent successful men, and some not so successful, dont give a ratsbehind about these types of women, as they can get just about any woman their heart desires. For many others who have difficulty with dating and sex, then these types are best avoided anyhow, and if they are avoiding men then even better.
I cannot wait to see this forum's reaction to this.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/08/nx-s1-5182888/4b-movement-trump-south-korea
Boycott men? South Korea's 4B movement gains traction in the U.S. after Trump's win
Following President-elect Trump’s victory — which was fueled by male voters and to many looked like a referendum on reproductive rights ...[text shortened]... or Donald Trump, men may finally have started to push too hard. This could catch on here. -- Suzi)
Here is whats going on. Many modern women are useless and money-hungry. They have become lazy and without any talent or skills, and smart men do not see them as good wife material, or the nurturing caring, childbearing types. Added to that when men are alone their ability to generate wealth increases exponentially, and they tend to look after themselves, their health and well-being, and as for the sex, there are loads of sex-workers, willing to satisfy the man, for a small price, far beyond what the wife is capable of. Women, especially the dunce, greedy types, are the road to poverty, especially in the case of marriage and divorce. Men are smarter now.
So, hey, join that club. Make some men happy.
@Suzianne saidIf it does "catch on here" it means the only women heterosexual men could hook up with would be those who don't hate men.
I cannot wait to see this forum's reaction to this.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/08/nx-s1-5182888/4b-movement-trump-south-korea
Boycott men? South Korea's 4B movement gains traction in the U.S. after Trump's win
Following President-elect Trump’s victory — which was fueled by male voters and to many looked like a referendum on reproductive rights ...[text shortened]... or Donald Trump, men may finally have started to push too hard. This could catch on here. -- Suzi)
If there's a down side to this I'm not seeing it.
It would also lead to a spike in conservative women.
Hey: women like sex too. They also value relationships which risk being destroyed by abstaining. Imagine long-term relationships or marriages wrecked by this movement. "4B", doomed to fail, will gain nothing but potentially lose a lot for these women.
That in turn could cause women to resent listening to liberals and side with conservatives.
In other words, only liberals would suffer, and conservatives would get a nice win by doing absolutely nothing.
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@Suzianne saidyou havent caught on to the media lying to you yet?
I cannot wait to see this forum's reaction to this.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/08/nx-s1-5182888/4b-movement-trump-south-korea
Boycott men? South Korea's 4B movement gains traction in the U.S. after Trump's win
Following President-elect Trump’s victory — which was fueled by male voters and to many looked like a referendum on reproductive rights ...[text shortened]... or Donald Trump, men may finally have started to push too hard. This could catch on here. -- Suzi)