02 Aug 18
Why isn't this seen by republicans as obstruction of justice RIGHT NOW? I know the jurists in the Manafort trial have instructions not to view TV or social media but some of them don't listen to those instructions and so may watch that stuff anyway and may have seen Trump's tweet saying 'Should' stop the 'witch hunt'.
Sounds like publicly announcing obstruction of justice so why is congress silent except for democrats?
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @sonhouse"Should" is merely a suggestion, not an order.
Why isn't this seen by republicans as obstruction of justice RIGHT NOW? I know the jurists in the Manafort trial have instructions not to view TV or social media but some of them don't listen to those instructions and so may watch that stuff anyway and may have seen Trump's tweet saying 'Should' stop the 'witch hunt'.
Sounds like publicly announcing obstruction of justice so why is congress silent except for democrats?
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @shavixmirTrump is obviously fond of Flynn. Maybe you underestimate their friendship.
Well, if I was being investigated, I certainly wouldn’t want to appear corrupter than I already did...
Would you defend a friend like that or let him hang out to dry?
Originally posted by @kazetnagorraI suppose Susan McDougal deserved what she got.
But Trump knows it isn't a "witch hunt" since dozens or people have been indicted and/or convicted. Yes, the lives of criminals may be "ruined" if they get caught. Isn't that kind of the point of criminal punishment, to have some kind of deterrent to committing crimes?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1996/08/21/susan-mcdougal-gets-2-years-for-fraud-tied-to-whitewater/4cb1041f-3d11-4367-86d4-d2843131c438/?utm_term=.96e0b1a143a9
Didn't they try hard to get her to flip on the Clintons?
Edit: Of course she didn't flip, Slick Willie pardoned her. See how it works?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=122001&page=1
Originally posted by @metal-brain'Should' is directly speaking to his base to make his pet republicans cow tow to him and it worked, not a frigging word from repubs about how he is actually doing obstruction of justice by venturing this crap on a twit even if it is taken as an opinion because it is about an ONGOING TRIAL, did you forget that part? Where jurors are not sequestered but stay in hotels and are just ordered not to view TV or media.
"Should" is merely a suggestion, not an order.
THAT is the legal problem here. NEVER has a past president made any kind of statement about an ongoing trial except Nixon talking about the Manson killings and you can see what happened to him even though his resignation had nothing to do with the Manson thing Nixon talked about on TV, calling Manson guilty in the middle of the trial. That jury WAS sequestered and there was no way they could have heard about his statements but the Manafort jury is NOT sequestered and they can simply disobey orders from the Judge to not watch TV or use laptop or tablet or cell phone to see what is going on newswise.
Suggestion, order, opinion, it makes no difference legally. Trump crossed the legal line and it may be one of the straws that causes the end of his so-called presidency.
Like I said already in another thread, methinks thou protesteth too much, one wonders why you claim you didn't vote for T but yet are defending him tooth and nail. For instance, do you think Kavanaugh should be voted into SCOTUS which WILL give T a get out of jail free card? NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES as POTUS?
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @sonhouse"Suggestion, order, opinion, it makes no difference legally."
'Should' is directly speaking to his base to make his pet republicans cow tow to him and it worked, not a frigging word from repubs about how he is actually doing obstruction of justice by venturing this crap on a twit even if it is taken as an opinion because it is about an ONGOING TRIAL, did you forget that part? Where jurors are not sequestered but stay ...[text shortened]... oted into SCOTUS which WILL give T a get out of jail free card? NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES as POTUS?
You are wrong.
Originally posted by @metal-brainNot according to former federal prosecutors interviewed on TV. A 'suggestion' made by T was to be taken as an order by both his base and Jeff Sessions. Thing is, Sessions already recused himself and cannot just quit, T would have to in fact literally fire him to stop this phase of the probe but that will not stop the probe even if all three actors get canned by T.
"Suggestion, order, opinion, it makes no difference legally."
You are wrong.
The so-called witch hunt will go on.
But you never addressed my issue why you are defending this would be dictator when as you say, you never voted for him.
You like what he has already done? ripping apart NATO, doing Putin's job for him, licking Putin's balls in front of the whole world, putting Kim Jong Un on the world stage and then announcing the North Korea nuke threat is over while in fact they are continuing work on newer ICBM's. Dissing the leaders of the UK and Germany, starting a trade war that already is hurting farmers and then announcing a bribe of 12 billion dollars to mollify that part of his base where their own tax dollars are paying for that bribe?
Incarcerating 3000 children some infants pulled away from being breastfed by ICE thugs and he says it's up to congress to change the laws, I, T, can't change that but when the political pressure became to much he caved in and now all of a sudden he, WOW, CAN change his policies and didn't need a congressional law change to do it.
Then the Wouldn't to Would deal trying in a vain attempt to mollify whomever about the summit where he said Putin wouldn't have done such a thing as muddle with our elections?
THAT Trump you want to defend?
Does he LITERALLY have to shoot someone on 5th Avenue to put him on your shyte list?
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @metal-brainWhat are you talking about? Flynn has already pleaded guilty and admitted to lying to FBI investigators.
Trump is obviously fond of Flynn. Maybe you underestimate their friendship.
Would you defend a friend like that or let him hang out to dry?
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @no1marauderNow that Trump has become the news media's bitch (including Ivana) I agree with you. He has become instantly obedient and is claiming that Russia is trying to interfere with the midterm elections just like the establishment wants him to.
What are you talking about? Flynn has already pleaded guilty and admitted to lying to FBI investigators.
Trump is a puppet of the establishment because he has so much dirt on him . It is the only explanation for his submission today. He is a puppet.
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @metal-brainAn alternate explanation is that Russia really is trying to interfere with our elections and Trump is tired of looking like a Russian stooge by denying it.
Now that Trump has become the news media's bitch (including Ivana) I agree with you. He has become instantly obedient and is claiming that Russia is trying to interfere with the midterm elections just like the establishment wants him to.
Trump is a puppet of the establishment because he has so much dirt on him . It is the only explanation for his submission today. He is a puppet.
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @no1marauderSo he eats crow by accusing Russia of trying to interfering with the midterms before they happen? Where is the motive for going that far off where he was before? Then there is Ivanka sucking up to the establishment. Did you see the news tonight?
An alternate explanation is that Russia really is trying to interfere with our elections and Trump is tired of looking like a Russian stooge by denying it.
Nope. He was entrapped and he knows he can't be independent. He is a puppet and that is why he was given so much news coverage during the campaign, because they knew he could be easily controlled. Trump is impulsive and impulsive people screw up a lot. That is why we have an impulsive moron as POTUS. It isn't coincidence.
02 Aug 18
Originally posted by @metal-brainActually I don't see that the Donald said anything about Russian interference today though there was a joint appearance by heads of the national security agencies at variance with Trump's usual position:
So he eats crow by accusing Russia of trying to interfering with the midterms before they happen? Where is the motive for going that far off where he was before? Then there is Ivanka sucking up to the establishment. Did you see the news tonight?
Nope. He was entrapped and he knows he can't be independent. He is a puppet and that is why he was given so ...[text shortened]... ve people screw up a lot. That is why we have an impulsive moron as POTUS. It isn't coincidence.
Despite Mr. Trump’s public comments playing down the threat from Russia, the officials did not hesitate in directly blaming the Russian government as the primary culprit behind the interference campaign.
“We acknowledge the threat. It is real. It is continuing,” said Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence. “We are doing everything we can to have a legitimate election that everyone can have trust in.”
That message — delivered at a rare briefing for reporters by several top national security officials — was strikingly different from comments Mr. Trump had made in the past. During a news conference in Helsinki, Finland, last month after a meeting with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, Mr. Trump did not discuss election interference.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/02/us/politics/russia-election-security-midterm.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news