The $88 baseball

Your claim: the Trump campaign used a Nazi symbol in reference to an obscure Belgian Antifa-affiliated group, by massive coincidence also ordering 88 ads for the Facebook ad campaign featuring Nazi symbols, despite the campaign itself claiming this was not the reason and using a different bogus excuse. Other references to Nazi symbols by the Trump campaign and associates are massive coincidences too, including the entirely unexplained use of "13 out of 88" as a statistical measure for a large group of people in an official DHS statement.

My claim: the consistent use of Nazi imagery, slogans and symbols indicates that some neo-Nazis and white supremacists are members of Trump's campaign and inner circle. We already knew that, of course, with self-identified white supremacists like Stephen Miller openly serving in the administration.

The belief that Pres. Obama may have been born in Kenya is not racist. Do some racists believe it? Yes. Can it be motivated by racism? Yes.

Does it hinge on racism? No.

Breitbart simply isn't a racist news service, and repeating this talking point a third time will not make it so.

@kazetnagorra said
What "conspiracy" is involved in the Trump campaign using a Nazi symbol to attack their political opponents - who, by the way, were also the Nazis' political opponents?

I hope that by viewing the time and effort put into the accusers blatantly
abusing the words "racist" and "Neo Nazi" that one can learn by what
I meant when I said to Suzieanne that nobody on the right takes such claims
as "racist" seriously because it has lost all meaning.

Now, when a leftist uses the term "racist", it simply gets interpreted as "I hate you".
Ya. Hate speech, that's all. No substance to it.

@philokalia said
[quote]Your claim: the Trump campaign used a Nazi symbol in reference to an obscure Belgian Antifa-affiliated group, by massive coincidence also ordering 88 ads for the Facebook ad campaign featuring Nazi symbols, despite the campaign itself claiming this was not the reason and using a different bogus excuse. Other references to Nazi symbols by the Trump campaign and assoc ...[text shortened]... r poster boy for your Nazi conspiracy theory than the great grandson of Jews who fled the Holocaust.

@philokalia said
Sure, OK.

So, white supremacists are not racists to Hispanic people, then, right? There's no anti-Hispanic or anti-Mexican strain in white supremacist thought?

Or am I missing something?

@athousandyoung said
They hate Mexicans and other mixed race people from Latin America. They love Hispanics like Ted Cruz and Emilio Estevez.

@kevcvs57 said
Seriously your claiming that someone loves Ted Cruz? I’ll give you Emilio but Ted Cruz?

YouTube : Emilio Hispanic

YouTube : Cameron Hispanic

@kazetnagorra said
(1) I notice that you simply refuse to address the points I raised, in particular my point about the DHS figures. We both know your reasons for doing so.

(2) Here is a long expose detailing Stephen Miller's white supremacist views and links to the white supremacist movement. I suggest you read it.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/11/12/stephen-millers-affinity-white-nationalism-revealed-leaked-emails

Miller recommended in a Sept. 6, 2015, email that Breitbart write about “The Camp of the Saints,” a racist French novel by Jean Raspail. Notably, “The Camp of the Saints” is popular among white nationalists and neo-Nazis because of the degree to which it fictionalizes the “white genocide” or “great replacement” myth into a violent and sexualized story about refugees.

McHugh says Miller told her to aggregate from American Renaissance
Miller suggested McHugh draw information from an American Renaissance article in early July 2015, she told Hatewatch. McHugh’s recollection is backed up by emails appearing to refer to that article, which focused on a favorite topic of Miller’s in the emails – interracial crime.
McHugh told Hatewatch that Miller called her on a workday afternoon to discuss a story on “AmRen,” shorthand for American Renaissance among the site’s readers.
“It was after lunchtime. I was sitting at my desk with my MacBook, and as Miller was speaking, I was looking away … to better concentrate on what he was saying,” McHugh recalled to Hatewatch. “Miller asked me if I had seen the recent ‘AmRen’ article about crime statistics and race. I responded in the affirmative because I had read it. Many of us [on the far right] had read it. I remember being struck by the way he called it ‘AmRen,’ the nickname.”

@athousandyoung said
They hate Mexicans and other mixed race people from Latin America. They love Hispanics like Ted Cruz and Emilio Estevez.

@philokalia said
Oh, OK.

Well, I guess I do not know much about Nazis compared to you.

The shooter, Adam Cabrillo is darker and obviously more mixed with native American blood than Cruz or Estevez. I believe this is referred to as mestizo.

So, I think the Nazis would actually hate him, yes?

(Reference: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-16/suspects-charged-killing-santa-cruz-cop-and-oakland-federal-officer )

@philokalia said
Oh, OK.

Well, I guess I do not know much about Nazis compared to you.

To me, Carrillo looks clearly mestizo. I think he is not a castizo.

But hey, if you think he is, then by my guest.

But I would suggest that he's just a Libertarian guy who has no affiliations with Nazism, as we have not seen anything like that come up for him, and that, generally, Nazis would not want to be affiliated with him.

I'm not saying he's NOT mestizo - just that you cannot tell from his name and appearance.

@philokalia said
(1) LOL, how do I argue with someone who think that randomly appearing numbers are signals being communicated to America that... "We are NAZIS!"

It doesn't make sense on face value and I do not have access to the kind of conspiratorial thinking, so how do I interact with it? How do I refute something that is based on feeling and not on logic?

(2) He read vdare. Vdar ...[text shortened]... es the great grandchild of Jewish refugees, Stephen Miller.[/i]

I don't think he's a Nazi at all.

American Renaissance (AR or AmRen) is a monthly white supremacist online publication founded and edited by Jared Taylor.[1][2][3][4] It is published by the New Century Foundation, which describes itself as a "race-realist, white advocacy organization".[5][6]

VDARE is an American website focusing on opposition to immigration to the United States and is associated with white supremacy,[2][3] white nationalism,[4][5][6] and the alt-right.[7][8][9] Anti-Immigration in the United States: A Historical Encyclopedia describes VDARE as "one of the most prolific anti-immigration media outlets in the United States" and states that it is "broadly concerned with race issues in the United States".[10] Established in 1999, the website's editor is Peter Brimelow, who once stated that "whites built American culture" and that "it is at risk from non-whites who would seek to change it".[10]

The Southern Poverty Law Center describes VDARE as "an anti-immigration hate website" which "regularly publishes articles by prominent white nationalists, race scientists and anti-Semites", including Steve Sailer, Jared Taylor, J. Philippe Rushton, Samuel T. Francis, John Derbyshire[11] and Pat Buchanan.[12] Brimelow acknowledges that VDARE published writings by white nationalists but has said that VDARE is not a "white nationalist Web site".[13][14][15]