26 Jun 07
The defections from from the Conservative party have started:
'Tory MP Quentin Davies has defected to Labour.... He wrote that the party seemed "to have ceased collectively to believe in anything, or to stand for anything". Mr Davies added: "Although you (Tory leader David Cameron) have many positive qualities you have three, superficiality, unreliability and an apparent lack of any clear convictions, which in my view ought to exclude you from the position of national leadership to which you aspire and which it is the presumed purpose of the Conservative Party to achieve.'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6241928.stm
26 Jun 07
Originally posted by ElleEffSeeeThey should just merge them together, with the Libdems as well.
The defections from from the Conservative party have started:
'Tory MP Quentin Davies has defected to Labour.... He wrote that the party seemed "to have ceased collectively to believe in anything, or to stand for anything". Mr Davies added: "Although you (Tory leader David Cameron) have many positive qualities you have three, superficiality, unreli ...[text shortened]... rvative Party to achieve.'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6241928.stm
There's practically nothing between these parties anymore, other than personality politics.
FFS - a few decades ago, being called Quentin was an automatic bar on joining the labour party.
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by ElleEffSeeeOK, David Cameron is an idiot. Most of the Conservative Party are not.
With this talk of what separates right and left, I thought it would be interesting to look at the the 'new' conservative party under David Cameron and make some comparisons with their American equivalent (to an extent), the Republican party. This is the traditional right-wing (hence the name 'conservative'😉 party of the UK. They got thoroughly booted out ...[text shortened]... to traditional lines? Would an American republican vote for this party?
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by ElleEffSeeeI would still grudgingly vote Tory, despite the idiotic left wing loony that is David Cameron. I decided against renewing my membership of the party though.
Aren't Daily Mail readers traditionally conservative anyway? What I want to know is, what do traditional conservatives think about the new Tory party? Do they agree that changing their party line is absolutely necessary to get back in? Or are they now thinking of switching their vote to another right-wing party (UKIP, BNP, etc.)? Or would they still grud ...[text shortened]... n republicans here think of their counterpart's current status in the UK - what would you do?
27 Jun 07
David Cameron is neither loony or left wing. He is a nice upper middle class chap trying to put a human face on loony right wing party.
The tories need stability. William Hague, George Osbourne, David Davis are a strong support team. I hope the Tories can return to put pressure on Labour. A weak opposition suits nobody.
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by invigorateTo some, Cameron is an extreme lefty. Its all relative.
David Cameron is neither loony or left wing. He is a nice upper middle class chap trying to put a human face on loony right wing party.
The tories need stability. William Hague, George Osbourne, David Davis are a strong support team. I hope the Tories can return to put pressure on Labour. A weak opposition suits nobody.
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by RedmikeThey are a good party, but they have no hope of being elected. Similarly, Veritas and UKIP are great parties (BNP aren't my thing) but they will not be elected either. It's Labour or Conservative - two horse race, so despite my distaste for the New Conservative party, I would still vote for them over Labour.
I'd have thought the Scottish Unionist Party was more your thang?
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by princeoforangeDepends on the election. Westminster, I think you're right.
They are a good party, but they have no hope of being elected. Similarly, Veritas and UKIP are great parties (BNP aren't my thing) but they will not be elected either. It's Labour or Conservative - two horse race, so despite my distaste for the New Conservative party, I would still vote for them over Labour.
Holyrood, with the list, maybe not.
Does veritas still exist?
27 Jun 07
Originally posted by RedmikeForget Holyrood, that place should be put to much better use than providing a forum for idiots like MSPs. I was refering to Westminster.
Depends on the election. Westminster, I think you're right.
Holyrood, with the list, maybe not.
Does veritas still exist?
Veritas does still exist, but good old Kilroy has left them, he is now an independant MEP.
Robert Kilroy-Silk is the one person whose political views reflect mine most closely.
28 Jun 07
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Originally posted by princeoforangeWell, you might not like the Holyrood parliament, but it exists all the same.
Forget Holyrood, that place should be put to much better use than providing a forum for idiots like MSPs. I was refering to Westminster.
Veritas does still exist, but good old Kilroy has left them, he is now an independant MEP.
Robert Kilroy-Silk is the one person whose political views reflect mine most closely.
If you're voting for an MP in Glasgow, there's no chance of a tory getting elected. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Not so sure if you're vote's in Skye, but it certainly isn't just between labour and the tories there either.
Some examples of the 'wisdom' of Kilroy-Silk http://bfewster.members.gn.apc.org/euro/kilroy.htm
28 Jun 07
Originally posted by RedmikeWhile it is true that the chance of a Tory being elected in Glasgow or Skye are rather small, they are still a main party so that chance still exists. The way I see it is, if every Conservative supporter actually went out and voted Conservative instead of saying "there's no point cos they'll not win anyway", then they would probably come quite close to a seat in Glasgow and even closer in Ross, Skye and Lochaber. For that reason alone I think it is worthwhile to vote Conservative here.
Well, you might not like the Holyrood parliament, but it exists all the same.
If you're voting for an MP in Glasgow, there's no chance of a tory getting elected. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Not so sure if you're vote's in Skye, but it certainly isn't just between labour and the tories there either.
Some examples of the 'wisdom' of Kilroy-Silk http://bfewster.members.gn.apc.org/euro/kilroy.htm
The link you gave on the views of Kilroy (which was biased because it was interspersed by commentary from an anti-Kilroy moron) actually showed the wisdom of this great man. The thinking put forward there is accurate, but cannot generally be iterated by public figures because of the lack of free speech in this country.
29 Jun 07
Originally posted by princeoforangeYou are funny.
The link you gave on the views of Kilroy (which was biased because it was interspersed by commentary from an anti-Kilroy moron) actually showed the wisdom of this great man. The thinking put forward there is accurate, but cannot generally be iterated by public figures because of the lack of free speech in this country.
According to you, the link is biased. You then say that this presumably discredited link shows that Kiljoy is a great man.
29 Jun 07
Originally posted by princeoforangeWhich seat in Glasgow do you think the tories have a snowball's chance in hell of winning? I don't think they're even 3rd in any seats, never mind near winning. They've nobody on the ground.They're nowhere.
While it is true that the chance of a Tory being elected in Glasgow or Skye are rather small, they are still a main party so that chance still exists. The way I see it is, if every Conservative supporter actually went out and voted Conservative instead of saying "there's no point cos they'll not win anyway", then they would probably come quite close ...[text shortened]... generally be iterated by public figures because of the lack of free speech in this country.
If the supossed absence of free speech prevents these ideas being iterated, how come K-S gets away with it?