Originally posted by AThousandYoungno bloomin' way - hopefully Boy that Girl chose was rich enough to get her a dazzlingly expensive ring and she can sell it for mega bucks, grab the cash and send him a thank-u note!
Boy meets Girl. Boy and Girl develop a serious, multi year relationship. Boy proposes to Girl. Boy gives Girl the Ring.
Girl later alienates Boy via personality conflicts. Boy dumps Girl, who was living with him, and gets a restraining order put on her because he claims she wont leave him alone.
Is Girl supposed to give the Ring back to Boy?
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungThen boy took a risc. If girl keeps the ring, boy cannot do anything about it. If boy asks, girl laughs.
Boy dumped girl.
But if boy dumps girl because girl humps another boy, then girl should return the ring to boy. If girl does, with girls low moral, is another matter.
Dare I ask why boy dumps girl?
Originally posted by sh76nu-uh I saw it on an episode of "I Love Lucy" so it must be a FACT!~
Well, that's just a cliche.
In real life, possession hardly matters in the eyes of the law.
The only difference possession may make is in allocating the burden of proof to the party not in possession.
In the post just today:
http://www.slate.com/id/2253189/
For This Ring I Thee SueIf the bride calls off the engagement, can she keep her diamond?
By Casey GreenfieldPosted Monday, May 10, 2010, at 9:43 AM ET
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Miss Manners has an answer: "laws of etiquette absolutely require you to return an engagement ring when the engagement is broken, for whatever reason, and by however nasty a fiancé." What happens, however, when a couple does take a diamond stalemate to court?
Christopher Reinhold of Staten Island says the diamond ring he gave to Collette DiPierro, who broke off their engagement in September 2009 after four months and growing doubts, is rightfully his. He has sued her to get it back. In his New York state-court suit, Reinhold says that he gave DiPierro the ring upon her promise to marry him. Since she broke off the engagement and the marriage did not take place, the deal, he says, is off. But DiPierro says that because Reinhold proposed on her birthday, the $17,500 ring was a gift, not a token symbolizing a promise to marry. So she can keep it. Or, actually, spend it: Neither Reinhold nor DiPierro claims sentimental attachment; both would be happy with the ring's cash value.
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Ariri
If I'm not completely off base, I think I saw this woman on Wendy Williams while getting ready for work, and she's saying its more than the gift aspect. She says that she paid the entirety of the couple's bills while they co-habitated so that he could save for the ring. In other words she wants the ring as compensation for all those bills she paid.
4 days ago, 03:54:45 PM
Makyris
If that's true I agree that definitely changes the equation. In a way she was literally paying for it all this time anyhow.
Eeek, that's a definitely a cautionary tale though in terms of living arrangements and bills.
4 days ago, 04:18:36 PM
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Originally posted by sh76Hmmmmm, interesting. I guess the legal ownership of a "conditional gift" is not actually transferred to the recipient; or else, it's transferred only on the condition that the recipient acts in a particular way.
There's actually plenty of case law on that question.
Long story short, the answer is generally yes. If an engagement breaks off, an engagement ring generally must be returned because it was a conditional gift.
Gill v. Shively, 320 So. 2d 415 (FL 1975)
Priebe v. Sinclair, 90 Cal. App. 2d 79 (Cal App 1949)
http://www.lemondrop.com/2010/05/10/colette-dipierro-why-i-won-t-give-the-ring-back/
May 10th 2010 By Emily Tan
She Won't Give The $17,500 Ring Back -- Now She Explains Why
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Last week we told you about Colette DiPierro, the 28-year-old woman who called off her wedding but refused to give back her ring. Soon after your comments were pouring in from all over about whether or not she should give back the bling -- and why she's really holding onto it. Well, we thought: Why not ask her?
Here -- un-airbrushed -- is Colette's side of the story. Now tell us what you think.
Colette: So me and Chris [Reinhold] met in the summer of 2007. We broke up in September of last year. Before I received the ring, we had a contract -- an oral contract. Chris said, "You're going to save for the wedding hall, you're going to pay all the bills, pay the rent, pay for all household utilities and food ... and I'm going to pay for this wedding ring. I really want to get you, like, the best wedding ring that I can possibly get you."
So I said to him, "You know it doesn't matter what kind of wedding ring you get me. It matters if you love me or not." And he said, "No, no. I really want to get you the nicest ring. I want it to even be better than my brother's." Because he was always in competition with his brother. So I said, "OK, whatever you want to do. Just don't overdo it, OK?"
We moved into his apartment, which was under his lease, and I paid for everything. On my birthday, I got the engagement ring as a present. He said, "Happy Birthday." He did not get down on a knee, and I mean, that was the story.
After that, I wanted him to start help paying for me things, too. I mean, he makes a really good salary himself. Now I thought he could help start saving to pay for the wedding hall, or put down a down payment on a house. We booked the wedding hall even before we were engaged.
What did he say to that?
He didn't like that answer. So when I started to get smart to the idea -- he was buying things for himself, and everything I had was going to pay for our expenses, so I said, "Listen, so when are going to keep your end of the bargain up?" He took a turn for the worse: He was just a totally different person.
So we broke up in September, and I said, "Listen I'm going to hold the ring as collateral until you pay me back what you owe me. I said, "I understand that it was a conditional thing that was based upon the condition to get married. And we're not getting married. So I will give it back because it doesn't have any meaning to me." Because all the meaning a ring should have, this has no meaning. So he said, "That's fine, that's fine." And then he never really kept his end of the bargain.
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