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05 Nov 22
05 Nov 22
@divegeester saidThe OT was written by and for Jews, who consider themselves an ethnic race (whatever the genetic merits of that claim may be). The NT was written by and for gentiles (principally Greeks and Romans, although Armenians were very early converts).
They’re all foreigners, potential immigrants, job stealers and definitely not Republican Christians.
Anglo-Saxon Protestants they were not.
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@moonbus saidI thought the 12 Apostles were all from Israel.
The OT was written by and for Jews, who consider themselves an ethnic race (whatever the genetic merits of that claim may be). The NT was written by and for gentiles (principally Greeks and Romans, although Armenians were very early converts).
Anglo-Saxon Protestants they were not.
06 Nov 22
@athousandyoung saidPaul wasn't an Apostle.
No; Paul was from Tarsus, which is now in Turkey but back then was part of Greater Greece
06 Nov 22
@no1marauder saidApparently not one of the original 12 anyway but…
Paul wasn't an Apostle.
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God
JJ did mention “12 apostles” so I guess I was wrong anyway
06 Nov 22
@no1marauder saidInteresting point; I doubt JJ distinguishes between Judea and Israel but technically they are and were different.
Judas was from Judea.
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06 Nov 22
@athousandyoung saidWell at least I knew that Paul of Tarsus wasn't an apostle.
Interesting point; I doubt JJ distinguishes between Judea and Israel but technically they are and were different.
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@athousandyoung saidHe wasn't one of the 12 Apostles, schmuck.
He was an apostle but not an Apostle (Romans 1:1)
He was a rabid anti-Christian that hunted them down as heretics until he had his mystic revelation and became one.
07 Nov 22
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@chaney3 saidIsn’t that the Old Testament / Torah, so given that man actually made god in his own image I’m guessing THAT god is Jewish or Abrahamic or something along those lines.
It would seem that if one believes the creation story from Genesis, Adam and Eve could have been any race, including white, and from the Garden of Eden, wherever that may have been.
Edit: and since Adam and Eve were created in God's image, what race is God?
07 Nov 22
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@chaney3 saidDue to mistranslations and misunderstanding the traditional Adam and Eve story is incorrect. Adam was the first permanent Western settlement/civilization. It existed in the region called Eden which was submerged during the Flandrian Transgression and became what is now generally called the Persian Gulf. The people there were similar to ancient Iraqis (the people of Gilgamesh); probably Semitic looking or similar but they were not BIOLOGICAL ancestors but rather the cultural ancestors of Western Civilization (the Chinese and Peruvians invented civilization independently of Adam).
It would seem that if one believes the creation story from Genesis, Adam and Eve could have been any race, including white, and from the Garden of Eden, wherever that may have been.
Edit: and since Adam and Eve were created in God's image, what race is God?
http://www.ldolphin.org/eden/
08 Nov 22
@divegeester saidActually, the Greeks and Romans could well be considered white.
They’re all foreigners, potential immigrants, job stealers and definitely not Republican Christians.
Especially the Romans in the later chapters of the New Testament. Because they came from all over the bloody place.