15 Apr 11
Originally posted by FMFDon't be grateful. Really do I (or any my country) need your appreciation at all? Does it help me (or my country) in any way at all?
I like democracy and I don't like dictatorship. Does it really make "no sense" to say I like one and I don't like the other? The U.S. gave us dictatorship. You want me to be grateful to you?
I, however, believe the US has made the world safer for billions of people on this planet abnd I personally am thankful for and proud of my country's efforts.
15 Apr 11
Originally posted by quackquackTalk us through how we here in Indonesia need to be "grateful" for your dictator Soeharto? Have a go. Don't skulk off. You brought it up. We didn't.
Don't be grateful. Really do I (or any my country) need your appreciation at all? Does it help me (or my country) in any way at all?
I, however, believe the US has made the world safer for billions of people on this planet abnd I personally am thankful for and proud of my country's efforts.
15 Apr 11
Originally posted by FMFI did not bring up Indonesia, I will not claim to be an expert on Indonesia and I will not insult your country even if you feel the need to insult mine. Perhaps you'd rather live in a world without the US (I might prefer to live in a world with Indonesia). Nevertheless, I am proud of the United States and its record of providing freedom.
Talk us through how we here in Indonesia need to be "grateful" for your dictator Soeharto? Have a go. Don't skulk off. You brought it up. We didn't.
15 Apr 11
Originally posted by bill718It's obnoxious to claim that the reason US troops are being brought home in body bags is because other countries won't 'take responsibility for their own affairs'. It is a disservice to the troops and the people they have been needlessly killing.
American troops in Iraq, Afganistan, and elsewhere in and around the Middle East should start withdrawing, and be brought home. It's time for other countries to take responsibility for running there own affairs.
16 Apr 11
Originally posted by bill718America needs to pull it's troops out of everywhere but America, let the world take care of itself.
American troops in Iraq, Afganistan, and elsewhere in and around the Middle East should start withdrawing, and be brought home. It's time for other countries to take responsibility for running there own affairs.
Conservatives in America need to get rid of the stupid notion that stationing American troops in other countries will "somehow" make America ...[text shortened]... e savings to pay down the deficit. It's time to end America's little "wild west show"!
Then we can cut our military back and stop spending a gazzillion dollars a year on keeping people stationed all over the planet.
16 Apr 11
Originally posted by Bosse de NageOh right...it's all about all those "weapons of mass destruction" that were supposed to be such a severe menace to American security that we had to send over 4000 brave American soldiers to there deaths...right??? By the way, did we ever find them?? Yup that was sure worth it!
It's obnoxious to claim that the reason US troops are being brought home in body bags is because other countries won't 'take responsibility for their own affairs'. It is a disservice to the troops and the people they have been needlessly killing.
...and what about South Korea? I'm sure they're doing everything they can in there own defence...right? (If you believe that one, I have a bridge I'll sell ya, cheap!)
Want to go back awhile? How about Viet Nam? They were sure a threat to American security, right. I'm sure the thousands of dead American soldiers would rather have died there, rather than lived normal lives because God knows, the South Vietnamise really busted there butts defending themselves (of course, were not supposed to talk about there 3 hour lunch breaks, and the fact that 30% of them were collaberating with the North.
Yup...it was necessary every one of these soldiers needed to be stationed over seas, and so necessary everyone of them died...right!
Why don't you go back and listen to some more old Ronald Reagan speeches!
16 Apr 11
Originally posted by bill718Sounds to me like someone is going to have to vote for Ron Paul. 😛
American troops in Iraq, Afganistan, and elsewhere in and around the Middle East should start withdrawing, and be brought home. It's time for other countries to take responsibility for running there own affairs.
Conservatives in America need to get rid of the stupid notion that stationing American troops in other countries will "somehow" make America ...[text shortened]... e savings to pay down the deficit. It's time to end America's little "wild west show"!
16 Apr 11
Originally posted by quackquackWhere did I "insult" your country? Telling you I am nonplussed by your ahistorical jingoism can hardly be called an "insult".
I did not bring up Indonesia, I will not claim to be an expert on Indonesia and I will not insult your country even if you feel the need to insult mine.
I am proud of the United States and its record of providing freedom.
I rather think that democracy and freedom in, say, South America, prevailed despite U.S. support for many of the region's dictators.
Indeed, U.S. businesses flourished down there for decades and decades because of the U.S.'s record of helping its puppets, proxies and partners deny whole peoples their basic freedoms.
History overtook the U.S. model in the end and now there are representative democracies in almost all of those countries now. OK, so you don't want to address the inconvenient facts in Indonesia. But what about the inconvenient facts in South America? What is it you are proud of exactly?
19 Apr 11
Originally posted by Sam The ShamCould not agree more!! With what is going on jn the mid East today if our leaders think this will lead to democracy they are very naive. We are sending troops and spending billions that we do not have, in a country by and large that do not like us. It is time we wake up and stay within our borders and take care of the problems we have at home.
America needs to pull it's troops out of everywhere but America, let the world take care of itself.
Then we can cut our military back and stop spending a gazzillion dollars a year on keeping people stationed all over the planet.
19 Apr 11
Originally posted by bill718that's right. pull the troops out and just keep bombing til they get a friendly, right-thinking govt in place.
American troops in Iraq, Afganistan, and elsewhere in and around the Middle East should start withdrawing, and be brought home. It's time for other countries to take responsibility for running there own affairs.
Conservatives in America need to get rid of the stupid notion that stationing American troops in other countries will "somehow" make America ...[text shortened]... e savings to pay down the deficit. It's time to end America's little "wild west show"!