10 Nov 22
@shavixmir saidMy head hurts after reading that sentence. But point taken.
You think MAGA is the end point?
Hahaha
The only end point about it is that it’s where The humor ends and everything turns very nasty, very quick.
MAGA is not humorous. It's nonsense. It claws at U.S. institutions like the FBI, CIA while purporting to support law enforcement. It drapes itself in the American flag while desecrating our laws about voting and our traditions of peacefully transitioning power. It pretends to care about conservative values even though it ramps up government control and government spending.
It was never funny.
10 Nov 22
@soothfast saidNope. The reason it doesn't matter is because the majority of people are influenced who to vote for by the news media. I didn't say I would vote for him in the general election. I always vote 3rd party then. If everybody did that things would change. Things don't change because most people do not think for themselves.
This must be your other personality that wrote this in the "Red Tsunami" thread tonight:
[quote]Why do you care? None of this really matters. Nothing will change very much regardless of which party controls congress. Both parties are controlled by billionaires. We really have only one party, the plutocracy. That is the result of extreme wealth inequality.
When will you ...[text shortened]... in the head I imagine people ask you to take your hat off so they can open their champagne bottles.
Why do you think propaganda is so effective? Because most people do not know it is propaganda. If they did, it would not be effective anymore. Do you realize you are being influenced who to vote for by propaganda or do you think you are making up your own mind without influence?
@wildgrass saidThis is a party that nominated John McCain and Mitt Romney in the two cycles before Trump. There was nothing "rotten" about those candidates except that they weren't good enough to beat Obama (though McCain specifically might have simply been burned by his environment). Very few people are good enough to beat Obama, who was one of the great American politicians of all time.
Lol good luck with that but there's so much rot going back decades. MAGA is the logical endpoint. Probably a better strategy would dissolve the GOP and rebuild it with a libertarian ideology. DeSantis is just a baby trump.
A McCain-type Republican party would do just fine in today's environment.
10 Nov 22
@no1marauder saidLake, in fact, is probably the favorite right now.
Who knows; Kari Lake is already election denying an election she might win.
I'm no Arizona politics guru, but how a wingnut like Lake can be running so far ahead of Masters is beyond me.
10 Nov 22
@sh76 saidThere was something already rotten in a party that would succumb to a demagogue and let itself be commandeered by a self-serving thug. This will end as do all personality cults: the demagogue will fall from grace eventually, leaving a power vacuum.
This is a party that nominated John McCain and Mitt Romney in the two cycles before Trump. There was nothing "rotten" about those candidates except that they weren't good enough to beat Obama (though McCain specifically might have simply been burned by his environment). Very few people are good enough to beat Obama, who was one of the great American politicians of all time.
A McCain-type Republican party would do just fine in today's environment.
10 Nov 22
@sh76 saidThe difference is only about 50,000 out of 2 million cast.
Lake, in fact, is probably the favorite right now.
I'm no Arizona politics guru, but how a wingnut like Lake can be running so far ahead of Masters is beyond me.
10 Nov 22
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@sh76 saidThey have not been successful at doing anything for a long time. The issues that continue to simmer to the surface among conservative voters (immigration, fiscal spending, crime) are never addressed.
This is a party that nominated John McCain and Mitt Romney in the two cycles before Trump. There was nothing "rotten" about those candidates except that they weren't good enough to beat Obama (though McCain specifically might have simply been burned by his environment). Very few people are good enough to beat Obama, who was one of the great American politicians of all time.
A McCain-type Republican party would do just fine in today's environment.
They whine about open borders and immigration a lot, but when's the last time a republican offered a piece of legislation to address it? 2006? While illogical and ineffective, Trump filled a need that wasn't being accomplished by normal Republicans. The rot was what led to the need for trump.
McCain wanted campaign finance reform. He wanted compromise on immigration. He recognized the societal benefit of omamacare. He was ostracized and left the party in disgrace. His name remains a spittoon in the GOP.
Remember Paul Ryan? He was the last republican who tried to address runaway federal spending. Run down, kicked out, belittled for trying to address the problems that republican voters care about.
Dump trump for Ron desantis, who has modeled his politics on MAGA ? You'll get the same rotten feeble results. If anything, the party is more MAGA now than it was with trump in office.
11 Nov 22
@sh76 saidYour praise for the most corrupt politicians in recent history is disturbing.
This is a party that nominated John McCain and Mitt Romney in the two cycles before Trump. There was nothing "rotten" about those candidates except that they weren't good enough to beat Obama (though McCain specifically might have simply been burned by his environment). Very few people are good enough to beat Obama, who was one of the great American politicians of all time.
A McCain-type Republican party would do just fine in today's environment.
Obama and McCain are scum.
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/obama-and-indefinite-detention-us-citizens/
11 Nov 22
@sh76 saidNooooooooo… don’t ditch trump. He’s perfectly fine destroying America. Gotta love him for it.
Long past time, actually, but now...
That's three straight elections where Trump has either lost or watched as his hand-picked candidates have gone down in flames.
Republicans will probably take the House and can steal the Senate if they somehow draw an inside straight on the river, but in the context of a President with a 42% approval rating in a midterm, it was a histori ...[text shortened]...
I don't know exactly how, but the GOP must find a way to convince Trump to retire or just go away.
I do see Fox news is turning on him though. Pretty tragic after 6 years of slavishly rimming the guy’s ego.
But, I noted Average Joe U-turning as well, squeamishly stating that one should let rotting corpses remain in the past and not dig them up.
Oh, the blatant hypocrisy!
11 Nov 22
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@shavixmir saidMany people warned already in 2016 that if Trump got into the Oval Office, he would do horrendous damage. Some people see only belatedly what has been all too obvious for a long time, after the damage has already been done.
Nooooooooo… don’t ditch trump. He’s perfectly fine destroying America. Gotta love him for it.
I do see Fox news is turning on him though. Pretty tragic after 6 years of slavishly rimming the guy’s ego.
But, I noted Average Joe U-turning as well, squeamishly stating that one should let rotting corpses remain in the past and not dig them up.
Oh, the blatant hypocrisy!
CNN —
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As votes rolled in from across the country Tuesday night, Donald Trump said something truly incredible when asked about how much credit or blame he should get for the election results.
“I think if they win, I should get all of the credit, and if they lose, I should not be blamed at all,” Trump told NewsNation, adding: “But it will probably be just the opposite.”
Yes, he really said that. And, no, he wasn’t kidding.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/09/politics/donald-trump-2022-election-midterms/index.html?dicbo=v2-6f12f7661361ce83293ddb6246f915d0
Trump is utterly unfit for public office. The man has not the vaguest notion of being a public servant, or of how the rule of law works, or of defending the Constitution, or of representing the nation's interests abroad. All he stands for is: tax cuts for the rich (especially himself), and making a name for himself. Mind you, I don't object to Trump's policies, whatever they were. They were always ancillary to The Trump Show.
Personally, I think Mitch McConnell bears much of the blame, if not more than Trump. Mitch had the chance to dump Trump by confirming the first impeachment. As Majority leader, if he had condemned Trump then, the rest of the Rep. Party would have supported the impeachment. It's not as though the Rep. would have lost the WH -- they would have had Pence in. But Mitch caved in to pressure, he was an abject coward who knew what was right but didn't have the guts to do it. I hope future historians vilify McConnell as an accessory to Trump's catastrophically corrosive effect on American democracy.
11 Nov 22
@sh76 saidIt's also the party that something like 70% of its members believe Joe Biden "stole" the 2020 election. https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/jun/14/most-republicans-falsely-believe-trumps-stolen-ele/
This is a party that nominated John McCain and Mitt Romney in the two cycles before Trump. There was nothing "rotten" about those candidates except that they weren't good enough to beat Obama (though McCain specifically might have simply been burned by his environment). Very few people are good enough to beat Obama, who was one of the great American politicians of all time.
A McCain-type Republican party would do just fine in today's environment.
13 Nov 22
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@sh76 saidI watched the Today show on NBC today.
Long past time, actually, but now...
That's three straight elections where Trump has either lost or watched as his hand-picked candidates have gone down in flames.
Republicans will probably take the House and can steal the Senate if they somehow draw an inside straight on the river, but in the context of a President with a 42% approval rating in a midterm, it was a histori ...[text shortened]...
I don't know exactly how, but the GOP must find a way to convince Trump to retire or just go away.
They had Chuck Todd on there claiming voters voted against extremism because people were overwhelmingly convinced the country was on the wrong track, yet on the very same broadcast they said over half of Trump endorsed election deniers won. And again, on the same broadcast they showed poll numbers showing voters were more concerned about abortion than inflation.
No, Chuck Todd. It was not extremism that most people voted against, it was anti choice candidates. People didn't vote against Tudor Dixon in Michigan because she was an election denier. It was because she made no exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.
Don't believe me? Just look at how many people voted for proposal 2 in Michigan. 56.7%
Now look at the percentage of people that voted for Whitmer. 54.47%
Dixon got 43.94%
13 Nov 22
@phranny saidWell, it’s a long shot, but could work if Trump were publicly discredited before then and charged with federal crimes (incitement to insurrection, attempting to overturn a legitimate election, for example).
@wildgrass If the GOP is smart, they will choose Liz Cheney for 2024.