15 Dec 12
Originally posted by sasquatch672If it's so easy, then why isn't everyone doing it?
Anybody can walk into a supermarket, spend about $7, and make enough mustard gas to kill or maim hundreds of people. It's a lot cheaper than a gun, untraceable, and hell, you stand a 50-50 chance of getting away with it.
And what statistical data have you collected that indicate 50% of homemade mustard gas manufacturers who have loosed their deadly fume upon an unsuspecting public have, in fact, "gotten away with it"?
15 Dec 12
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Originally posted by SoothfastGrandpa. Were that I were so lucky. I'm 40 years old. But ok - Moon.
You're confused again, grandpa. Take it up with Moon.
But I happen to agree with Moon's position on the issue you mention, so I'll take up the gauntlet. If a 13-year-old is raped, gets pregnant, and does not want the child, then it is the right of the 13-year-old to obtain an abortion. By getting that abortion no living person is harmed. (The zygote t shootin' 'round about the ol' trailer park.
Actually, what is your point?
I can't support a ban on assault weapons. The Second Amendment exists for one purpose. I believe in that purpose. Not from a tinfoil hat perspective, but from a citizen's perspective who's seen politicians of every stripe fail this country.
What happened today was an unspeakable tragedy. It would have happened no matter what. I know how awful that is to contemplate. Any serious, sober-minded person is treating today as a day of mourning, and certainly there is some reflection that we as a nation should do. Increased scrutiny, certainly.
Folks this is a terribly sad day and I don't have all the answers.
15 Dec 12
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Originally posted by sasquatch672A bad day, yes. But here are a few questions I posed to Norm which he evaded:
Grandpa. Were that I were so lucky. I'm 40 years old. But ok - Moon.
I can't support a ban on assault weapons. The Second Amendment exists for one purpose. I believe in that purpose. Not from a tinfoil hat perspective, but from a citizen's perspective who's seen politicians of every stripe fail this country.
What happened today was an unsp ...[text shortened]... crutiny, certainly.
Folks this is a terribly sad day and I don't have all the answers.
So tell me, Normy, should private citizens be allowed to keep a stash of plutonium handy "just in case"?
How about land mines, bazookas, or a Tomahawk missile? For or against? And if against, where do you draw the line?
May as well throw in mortars, grenade launchers, and other heavy-duty surface-to-surface military ordnance.
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by sasquatch672I largely agree with this post (Except I am a grandpa).
Grandpa. Were that I were so lucky. I'm 40 years old. But ok - Moon.
I can't support a ban on assault weapons. The Second Amendment exists for one purpose. I believe in that purpose. Not from a tinfoil hat perspective, but from a citizen's perspective who's seen politicians of every stripe fail this country.
What happened today was an unsp ...[text shortened]... crutiny, certainly.
Folks this is a terribly sad day and I don't have all the answers.
It does appear that this is yet another case where high capacity magazines were used and contributed to the "efficiency" of the killer. It seems that are a part of every mass murder of this sort and should be banned. They wouldn't completely stop this type of slaughter but they would certainly make it more difficult. And high capacity magazines sure no useful self-defense purpose though the most fanatical gun proponents are coming up with lurid hypotheticals where they might (without being able to point to any instance where they did).
It should be noted that having five guns for self-defense was counterproductive for the shooter's mother, who was killed by one of them if early reports are accurate (always an iffy proposition).
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by no1marauderCongratulations on being a grandpa. I'm sure that they're a big fan of grandpa. Hold them close. I'm happy for you. This is very real. Kick in the stomach, except it's going to last. I'm horrified.
I largely agree with this post (Except I am a grandpa).
It does appear that this is yet another case where high capacity magazines were used and contributed to the "efficiency" of the killer. It seems that are a part of every mass murder of this sort and should be banned. They wouldn't completely stop this type of slaughter but they would c ...[text shortened]... r, who was killed by one of them if early reports are accurate (always an iffy proposition).
Apparently there were hundreds of shell casings. Next to five-year-olds. Crying as I write this.
15 Dec 12
Let's get this in a different direction, because we've all seen the gun debate on these forums before, how should media report on this ? Is there any use in reporting every detail ? And does the media attention these attacks increase the number of them ?
The following link is a short report on the media coverage of a school shooting and an interview with a psychologist who talks on the above questions.
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by no1marauderWell, gramps 😉 , I just don't know.
I largely agree with this post (Except I am a grandpa).
It does appear that this is yet another case where high capacity magazines were used and contributed to the "efficiency" of the killer. It seems that are a part of every mass murder of this sort and should be banned. They wouldn't completely stop this type of slaughter but they would c ...[text shortened]... r, who was killed by one of them if early reports are accurate (always an iffy proposition).
The first details (maybe still inaccurate) are a kid who was bright, a goth, a loner, maybe with a personality disorder. Plenty smart enough to work out another way to kill a lot of people if that was his exit strategy.
The question is, why?
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by BartsI wonder about that but find no good answers.
Let's get this in a different direction, because we've all seen the gun debate on these forums before, how should media report on this ? Is there any use in reporting every detail ? And does the media attention these attacks increase the number of them ?
The following link is a short report on the media coverage of a school shooting and an interview with a psychologist who talks on the above questions.
Maybe the worst thing is not that the information "peak" comes earlier and faster but that it tends to fade away more quickly than we should let it. We do need think about this as a nation, as one people.
15 Dec 12
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Originally posted by spruce112358How many more times does this scenario have to get played out before people like you accept the undeniable fact that having high capacity mags legal contributes to the lethality of such incidents? He may have been all of those things, but he doesn't seem to have used anything but what was readily available to him; maybe we should make these people "work" a little harder rather than making available instruments of mass slaughter that serve no legitimate purpose.
Well, gramps 😉 , I just don't know.
The first details (maybe still inaccurate) are a kid who was bright, a goth, a loner, maybe with a personality disorder. Plenty smart enough to work out another way to kill a lot of people if that was his exit strategy.
The question is, why?
EDIT: In case you forgot, you supported the proposal to restrict the size of gun magazines here: http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=137101&page=&page=7
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by no1marauderYou are of course correct, Americans deserve better than this.
How many more times does this scenario have to get played out before people like you accept the undeniable fact that having high capacity mags legal contributes to the lethality of such incidents? He may have been all of those things, but he doesn't seem to have used anything but what was readily available to him; maybe we should make these people "work" ...[text shortened]... rather than making available instruments of mass slaughter that serve no legitimate purpose.
15 Dec 12
Originally posted by SoothfastUnfortunety you will have to live with this mass slaughter in the USA,with a poulation of 300 million and rising, and easy access to guns what else do you expect .
I think you miss the point, as usual.
The mass shooters are prepared to die. Usually they do. Your death penalty proposal would deter none of them.