11 Oct 20
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@earl-of-trumps saidDo you think there might be a peaceful continuation of power after the election?
My brother is now retired out in Mexico. He likes it.
A particular POTUS just can't be the reason for people fleeing. It may be the proverbial
straw that broke the camel's back but to me, the far more reaching reason to boot it
out America is the violence and nastiness of the people themselves. It's all contrived
and it seems to be getting worse by the day. People just being divided and hateful.
Or will left-wingers ramp up the violence and destruction? It could stop, diminish or get worse. I honesty don't know and can't even guess.
You can't fix stupid or predict crazy, so it's anyone's guess how they might react.
11 Oct 20
@lemon-lime saidI like to err on the said of caution. I think we should all be prepared.
Do you think there might be a peaceful continuation of power after the election?
Or will left-wingers ramp up the violence and destruction? It could stop, diminish or get worse. I honesty don't know and can't even guess.
You can't fix stupid or predict crazy, so it's anyone's guess how they might react.
If you have a scenario where, after polls close, Trump has the electoral votes needed,
only to be overturned when the mail-in votes are counted, watch out.
Don't go out. Buy a bunch of food before hand. Oh, and bathroom tissue.
12 Oct 20
@earl-of-trumps saidI know Americans who have already made preparations to leave if he wins. It's not one POTUS alone which people might want to flee. It's that he embodies a type, a type which, for shame, would not have dared to show itself in public before, but which has become emboldened by the current POTUS's unabashed flaunting of the characteristics (sheer egotism, unrestrained greed, total authority combined with total lack of accountability, flagrant lying and hypocrisy, utter lack of morals, etc.). This election is not about accomplishments or policies; it's about character, it's a referendum on Trump as a personality type. If Trump wins, he will validate The Ugly American and lot more of them will crawl out of the woodwork.
My brother is now retired out in Mexico. He likes it.
A particular POTUS just can't be the reason for people fleeing. It may be the proverbial
straw that broke the camel's back but to me, the far more reaching reason to boot it
out America is the violence and nastiness of the people themselves. It's all contrived
and it seems to be getting worse by the day. People just being divided and hateful.
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12 Oct 20
@moonbus saidSpeaking metaphorically: The ugliness of which you speak is like a scab. One that, until trump, had remained in place and was slowly healing.
I know Americans who have already made preparations to leave if he wins. It's not one POTUS alone which people might want to flee. It's that he embodies a type, a type which, for shame, would not have dared to show itself in public before, but which has become emboldened by the current POTUS's unabashed flaunting of the characteristics (sheer egotism, unrestrained gree ...[text shortened]... Trump wins, he will validate The Ugly American and lot more of them will crawl out of the woodwork.
But, just like a child, trump pulled the damned thing off and is now chewing on it!
12 Oct 20
@divegeester saidHe had a standard outcome that you would expect of someone of his age and obesity level. He had some symptoms and some respiratory distress (and probably a touch of pneumonia), but with the excellent treatments he was given, he recovered.
He probably had it for longer and perhaps it was a less virulent strain.
I find it more credible that this virus has mutated into a plurality of strains than he would be able to engineer having it and cover it up, it’s too risky a ploy.
This is that happens to most people with COVID, even obese 74 year olds, especially if they get the right treatments.
COVID is not the Plague. It's really not.
12 Oct 20
@earl-of-trumps saidSoooo....... America is in decline then ?
My brother is now retired out in Mexico. He likes it.
A particular POTUS just can't be the reason for people fleeing. It may be the proverbial
straw that broke the camel's back but to me, the far more reaching reason to boot it
out America is the violence and nastiness of the people themselves. It's all contrived
and it seems to be getting worse by the day. People just being divided and hateful.
And your solution is a President who accelerates that decline.
And I’m glad your brother is enjoying his retirement. In Mexico.
When someone has to move from America to Mexico to get away from the crime, doesn’t that give you a reason to think about what you’re posting before you post it ??
Maybe Mexico should pay for the wall. 🤔
12 Oct 20
@mghrn55
Soooo....... America is in decline then ?
And your solution is a President who accelerates that decline.
- the dems will accelerate it like a rock falling from cliff.
And I’m glad your brother is enjoying his retirement. In Mexico.
When someone has to move from America to Mexico to get away from the crime, doesn’t that give you a reason to think about what you’re posting before you post it ??
- I never stated what all his reasons for moving there were. A bit presumptuous, there, Sparky?
Maybe Mexico should pay for the wall. 🤔
- them, or Canada. :-)
13 Oct 20
@Metal-Brain
You are fukking BLIND as usual if you think their positions are the same.
Biden has something Trump never did have and never will have, EMPATHY for common folks.
Trump could care less about the hoy paloy which is EXACTLY what he thinks of normal folks. He is CLEARLY a sociopath and MAJORLY narcissist and if you can't see that then YOU are clearly BLIND.
13 Oct 20
@sh76 saidIt is, however, possible to contract it twice.
He had a standard outcome that you would expect of someone of his age and obesity level. He had some symptoms and some respiratory distress (and probably a touch of pneumonia), but with the excellent treatments he was given, he recovered.
This is that happens to most people with COVID, even obese 74 year olds, especially if they get the right treatments.
COVID is not the Plague. It's really not.
https://www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/idUSKBN26Y1FA
This casts doubt on the theory that herd immunity will develop, or that a single vaccine will offer either permanent immunity or immunity against multiple mutations of the virus. This aint anywhere near over yet.
15 Oct 20
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@moonbus saidYes, it's possible to contract twice; probably no less than 4-6 months apart. We don't know what percentage of people will lose antibodies to the point of being able to be re-infected, but based on the low number of confirmed re-infections, the number probably isn't that high.
It is, however, possible to contract it twice.
https://www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/idUSKBN26Y1FA
This casts doubt on the theory that herd immunity will develop, or that a single vaccine will offer either permanent immunity or immunity against multiple mutations of the virus. This aint anywhere near over yet.
Moreover, the body almost certainly retains some T-cell memory of how to fight off the infection. So, even if re-infected, the second time is very likely to be more mild than the first. That's part of the reason that all second waves so far have had much lower death rates than first waves.
Of course COVID "aint anywhere near over yet" because, in all likelihood, COVID will NEVER be over, like the Spanish Flu, Asian Flu, Hong Kong Flu and Swine Flu never ended. They simply melted into the pot of what we refer to as the flu. As treatments get better and our immunity levels increase, COVID will become less and less deadly until it settles into cold/flu status for the rest of eternity.
It's possible that we'll find a vaccine that permanently protects against COVID, but very unlikely. More likely, the COVID vaccine will become part of the annual flu vaccine and you might have to get a booster a second time in a year to be on the safe side.
The real question is when we want to start treating COVID like the flu and learn to live with it, rather than sacrificing our economy, education and physical and mental health to slow it down (because, if course, you cannot stop it). Reasonable people can differ on that one, of course. My vote is now-ish (though I'm all in favor of low cost precautions like masks and avoiding large crowds), except for vulnerable people, who should be extra careful until a better therapeutic comes out (like the Regeneron MAb, assuming it is able to replicate the results is reported a couple of weeks ago).
To quote a research scientists whose name escapes me at the moment who I heard on a podcast a while back, COVID is over when we say it's over.
15 Oct 20
@sh76 saidWhy doesn't the CDC recommend getting enough selenium in our diets?
Yes, it's possible to contract twice; probably no less than 4-6 months apart. We don't know what percentage of people will lose antibodies to the point of being able to be re-infected, but based on the low number of confirmed re-infections, the number probably isn't that high.
Moreover, the body almost certainly retains some T-cell memory of how to fight off the infection. So ...[text shortened]... escapes me at the moment who I heard on a podcast a while back, COVID is over when we say it's over.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030698772031104X
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969701008890