@KellyJay
When will it get through to you it is not hate, it is about saving our democracy, LITERALLY saving out democracy, I see ZERO in anything you say as to whether I am telling the truth about what they are planning, Can't you get that through your head? This goes beyond like or dislike, this is an extremely serious existential threat to our very way of life which the crackerheads on Project 2025 wants to install, which I have mentioned. Have you not been following ANY of the discussion by Trump and Vance about what they WILL do if elected again? Did you think I am just making up BS when I said Vance wants to START with one million deportations? Just as one example?
Is your head so deep in the sand you cannot see danger here?
@sonhouse saidIf everything you do is motivated by hate, even if you get justice you will be left with hate, it is a poison in life. Do you think others in politics are any less flawed than Trump is, you think there are good guys and bad guys? I'm telling you there are not good and bad guys, there are only guys, and they are all flawed.
@KellyJay
When will it get through to you it is not hate, it is about saving our democracy, LITERALLY saving out democracy, I see ZERO in anything you say as to whether I am telling the truth about what they are planning, Can't you get that through your head? This goes beyond like or dislike, this is an extremely serious existential threat to our very way of life which the ...[text shortened]... on deportations? Just as one example?
Is your head so deep in the sand you cannot see danger here?
@KellyJay
IF everything I do is from hate.
I and millions of other folks HATE his policies not his person, but you equate hating policy decisions with hate of the person.
You think invoking the word hate clears YOU of the idea you condone his policies, just say we hate him and you feel justified in supporting every POS policy he foists on us.
@sonhouse saidIf you have a policy issue we could discuss that without bringing people into the discussion since people trying to do the right thing can produce both good and bad policy. It is quite different when you cast someone in such a bad light that no matter what they do it is always bad, that has nothing to with policy, and you run the risk of hating good policy due to the author not due to the results.
@KellyJay
IF everything I do is from hate.
I and millions of other folks HATE his policies not his person, but you equate hating policy decisions with hate of the person.
You think invoking the word hate clears YOU of the idea you condone his policies, just say we hate him and you feel justified in supporting every POS policy he foists on us.
@sonhouse said@KellyJay equates disagreeing with someone's policies the same as hating them. I think this is his whole issue, and really and truly doesn't see the difference. You don't have to HATE anyone to disagree with their Policies. I am certainly in agreement with you there.
@KellyJay
IF everything I do is from hate.
I and millions of other folks HATE his policies not his person, but you equate hating policy decisions with hate of the person.
You think invoking the word hate clears YOU of the idea you condone his policies, just say we hate him and you feel justified in supporting every POS policy he foists on us.
-VR
@KellyJay
Tell me what policies of Trump and Vance do you agree with? For instance, do you agree with Vance we should deport millions of people and the corruption that would entail, mass deportations which would clearly deport innocent people, or Trump having Steve Miller as Attorney General where he would be like Barr, Trump's personal henchman to attack anyone Trump thinks is an enemy, where Trump already said 'media is the enemy of the people', right out of the dictator handbook or 'immigrants poison the blood of our citizens' and the policies that would entail.
Or the policy directly out of Project 2025 where they would indiscriminantly fire 50,000 civil servants not because they were incompetent but because they want to replace ALL of them with people who swear loyalty to Trump and Trump alone.
And Steve Miller's agenda if Attorney General is to put three times the number of children in cages, forced family separation on a much larger scale than last time where the medical support was so bad 8 children died.
Tell me which of these policies do you approve of.
This is POLICY question, not bringing up our feelings.
@KellyJay
How many times have I told you about specific policies I DO hate? Like the caging of 5000 children and the designer of that 'policy' is Steve Miller and he might be Trump's pick for Attorney General where he wants to TRIPLE the number of children in cages. Tell me you LOVED that policy, for instance.
I have mentioned a number of such policies and they are all based on corruption.
What I don't understand is how you can condone criminal behavior, not even talking about hatred, talking about proven felonies done by Trump AND the people around him, like a dozen of his closest associates in jail or awaiting jail.
We don't have the right to speak out about such corruption going on in plain view, like Jerad Kushner going to Saudi Arabia DOZENS of times on Tax payer dollars to foster sweetheart deals where Trump gets to tout he sold billions of dollars worth of military hardware to SA AND made no mention of the fact the Crown prince ordered the assassination of Khashoggi, whereas Biden DID mention that to the crown prince's face but Trump was so worried about not getting an arms deal he never brought up the assassination of a US citizen.
We are supposed to what, LOVE Trump for doing all that?
I am talking about perverse policy issues that a REAL president would have NEVER done.
So how much of what I just mentioned do you or did you approve of?