UN-organised referendum in Iran .....

Originally posted by no1marauder
Your ignorange of history is staggering.

It is? I never realised, however, I did realise that what I said was historically accurate and that you are saying I am ignorant of history without one shed of proof of my ignorance. You are ignorant of the workings of debates and logic, try and find someone who offers tuition.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Go to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_presidential_election%2C_2005

There were seven candidates in the first round; 3 of whom were considered "reformists". About 66% of the registered voters participated, not 100%.

Thanks for correcting me, I never realised there were 7 candidates, but being considered a "reformist" in Iran does not count for anything in civilised countries, their reformists are as bad as our fanatics.

Originally posted by princeoforange
It is? I never realised, however, I did realise that what I said was historically accurate and that you are saying I am ignorant of history without one shed of proof of my ignorance. You are ignorant of the workings of debates and logic, try and find someone who offers tuition.

No, what you said was not historically accurate. President Mossadegh was removed by a CIA prepared coup in 1953, though you denied Iran had an elected President. The Shah was not removed by a coup, but by a popular revolution.

Originally posted by no1marauder
No, what you said was not historically accurate. President Mossadegh was removed by a CIA prepared coup in 1953, though you denied Iran had an elected President. The Shah was not removed by a coup, but by a popular revolution.

I never denied that Iran had an elected President, I merely pointed out the fact that their election was undemocratic and gave them little choice. If you did your history homework, you would also find that the Shah was overthrown by a popular revolution heavily supported by a military coup.

Originally posted by princeoforange
I never denied that Iran had an elected President, I merely pointed out the fact that their election was undemocratic and gave them little choice. If you did your history homework, you would also find that the Shah was overthrown by a popular revolution heavily supported by a military coup.

Both of those claims are nonsense.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Both of those claims are nonsense.

On your word, oh fountain of knowledge and historical accuracy.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Go to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_presidential_election%2C_2005

There were seven candidates in the first round; 3 of whom were considered "reformists". About 66% of the registered voters participated, not 100%.

But isn't it the guardian council that presides over the choice of
candiates that can stand for election?
I heard that there were hundreds of applicants and only 7 were
allowed to stand.

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
But isn't it the guardian council that presides over the choice of
candiates that can stand for election?
I heard that there were hundreds of applicants and only 7 were
allowed to stand.

So what?? They don't allow everybody on the Presidential ballot in New York state that wants to be there. Do they where you live? Seven major candidates with the most votes that anybody received being less than 20% seems pretty democratic to me. Are you saying it wasn't democratic because 1000 people weren't on the ballot?

Originally posted by no1marauder
So what?? They don't allow everybody on the Presidential ballot in New York state that wants to be there. Do they where you live? Seven major candidates with the most votes that anybody received being less than 20% seems pretty democratic to me. Are you saying it wasn't democratic because 1000 people weren't on the ballot?

'Candidates considered loyal to Iran’s Islamic rulers took at least 149 places in the 290-seat parliament, which has been controlled by pro-reform lawmakers since their landslide win four years ago.
Reformers and self-described independents had taken about 65 seats, according to Interior Ministry figures. '
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4204331/

edit - and there were 2500 reformist candidates

Originally posted by no1marauder
So what?? They don't allow everybody on the Presidential ballot in New York state that wants to be there. Do they where you live? Seven major candidates with the most votes that anybody received being less than 20% seems pretty democratic to me. Are you saying it wasn't democratic because 1000 people weren't on the ballot?

Have you ever heard of screaming Lord Sutch?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Would you support a UN-organised referendum in Iran on regime change ?

I would.


Vote here: http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6118

I dont.

I think its upto the Iranians to decide who they want to lead their country.. if its Islamic fundamentalists, then thats it.

Im not so trusting of the UN, its just a puppet organisation for the USA?

Look at the mess in Rwanda, the UN/ USA are only interested because of the oil.

if they want to go in because of the oil i wish they would just say. i cant stand the lies and bs.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Would you support a UN-organised referendum in Iran on regime change ?

I would.


Vote here: http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6118

Yes I would but it should hold no political sway other than highlighting
oppression and unfair voting and should also extend to the US :-)

edit: OK, and the UK.

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
'Candidates considered loyal to Iran’s Islamic rulers took at least 149 places in the 290-seat parliament, which has been controlled by pro-reform lawmakers since their landslide win four years ago.
Reformers and self-described independents had taken about 65 seats, according to Interior Ministry figures. '
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4204331/

edit - and there were 2500 reformist candidates

There were two different elections: the parliamentary election and the presidential election. 7 candidates were allowed on the ballot for president; thousands were allowed on the ballot for the Parliamentary. Without knowing what the criteria is for allowing people on the ballot, I can't say whether it's totally democratic or not (probably not) but there are banned parties and ballot requirements in many "democratic" countries.