14 Oct 21
@sh76 saidaha
I read the entire article several times, when it was published back in August.
It has the usual weasel-wording about how unsure we are and it emphasizes how awesome the vax is even if you are previously infected, but there is NO data anywhere that shows conclusively that non-infected-vaxxed is better than vax-non-infected.
weasel wording. NO data. gotcha.
so basically you saw a set of data (the israeli one), an expert (not you) says "it's interesting but let's see if it contradicts what other data we have" and you said "NO, NO, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT SAYS AND IT SAYS I DON'T HAVE TO GET THE VACCINE". On the other hand the overwhelming consensus right now is that you should get the vaccine and you're claiming this consensus, reached to by experts (not you), is based on NO data.
You post a link that doesn't actually support your stance and you ask me to pick the "right" bits from it so i reach the same conclusion you did.
If I understood correctly and you really are a lawyer, it would explain this mode of thinking. Present just the right facts that seem to support your position, distract or don't mention facts that contradict it and help the jury (in this case us) reach the "right" conclusion. I just didn't think you actually begun to believe your own con.
"that shows conclusively that non-infected-vaxxed is better than vax-non-infected."
It's so funny seeing people emit opinions on what is "conclusive" or not on subjects beyond their understanding.
That nebraska article i linked says being vaxxed is better, but you think it's wrong. Why.
14 Oct 21
@shallow-blue saidYou are fine watching an otherwise healthy person die of kidney failure when a transplant is available.
I'm fine with ex-smokers getting lung transplants. I'm also fine with active smokers not getting them.
And yes, I'm also fine with someone who, after refusing vaccination, changes his mind and gets them after all, being given a transplant.
Choices have consequences and organs are scarce. Tough on you proud boys, but so it goes.
@eladar saidOr watching someone unvaccinated on a ventilator dying when there is a vaccine available.
You are fine watching an otherwise healthy person die of kidney failure when a transplant is available.
Further, there are probably more kidney transplant candidates than there are kidneys available.
Doctors, as much as they hate being forced to play God choosing who lives and who doesn't, who are faced with a choice between choosing between a vaccinated and unvaccinated patient for a kidney transplant when only one kidney is available will make the best possible choice.
@mghrn55 saidSo you are saying that someone who has already had covid is likely to get sick again? If that person does get sick will end up on a ventilator?
Or watching someone unvaccinated on a ventilator dying when there is a vaccine available.
Further, there are probably more kidney transplant candidates than there are kidneys available.
Doctors, as much as they hate being forced to play God choosing who lives and who doesn't, who are faced with a choice between choosing between a vaccinated and unvaccinated patient for a kidney transplant when only one kidney is available will make the best possible choice.
Your opinion is not based on science.
I am not vaccinated. I got covid. I never went to the hospital. Stayed home sick for a while is all tha happened. You live in la la land.
@eladar saidThat is another debate.
So you are saying that someone who has already had covid is likely to get sick again? If that person does get sick will end up on a ventilator?
Your opinion is not based on science.
I am not vaccinated. I got covid. I never went to the hospital. Stayed home sick for a while is all tha happened. You live in la la land.
And we all know that your views are driven by politics.
And the facts are still out there. The COVID serious illnesses and deaths are being driven by the unvaccinated to the tune of >90%.
Using your argument that you survived COVID to influence the decision the decision of someone who hasn't been infected yet is a false argument, and possibly dangerous.
I say "possibly" because you have little or no influence.
What is dangerous is that there are some who do carry that influence.
You and the metalbrains and the Trumpskulls are just white noise in this forum.
14 Oct 21
@mghrn55 saidUneducated people do not know the probability of being hospitalized for a 35 year old who gets covid. They believe it is a likely outcome.
That is another debate.
And we all know that your views are driven by politics.
And the facts are still out there. The COVID serious illnesses and deaths are being driven by the unvaccinated to the tune of >90%.
Using your argument that you survived COVID to influence the decision the decision of someone who hasn't been infected yet is a false argument, and possibly dang ...[text shortened]... rry that influence.
You and the metalbrains and the Trumpskulls are just white noise in this forum.
15 Oct 21
@kewpie saidShe already had covid and has natural immunity. It is also the donor of the kidney, not the recipient. If you had watched the video you would know that.
Why would you waste a scarce health resource (a healthy kidney) on a patient who doesn't care about risking the lives and families of surgery workers? Let's get real here. If that patient gets Covid that precious kidney's been completely wasted.
15 Oct 21
@zahlanzi said"Immunity doesn't last forever"
"Just pointing out the abuse one group gets while bot others."
Life is unfair.
In this case however unvaccinated (through a personal ignorant decision) people deserve the abuse.
"Destroy your kidney due to your sweet tooth, get s new kidney."
The system isn't perfect.
If you get a disease through a personal lifestyle choice and you don't convince the transplant commi ...[text shortened]... last forever
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination
The gene vaccine doesn't give immunity from the virus, getting covid and recovering does. Even protection from getting hospitalized from the gene vaccine does not last forever, hence booster shots.
15 Oct 21
@zahlanzi saidUS data uses CDC corrupted data.
for like 90 days and very not on the same levels.
Edit: sorry, I forgot the link you could ignore:
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination
The CDC does not count all breakthrough infections. That corrupted the US data.
Use Israel's data. It is the best in the world. US data is a sick joke.
15 Oct 21
@Metal-Brai
The good news is we don't have to listen to you EVER since ALL you want is to diss Biden, that is your ONLY goal.
For every Biden gaff there are a THOUSAND from your god king you claim to hate.
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15 Oct 21
@sonhouse saidTrump never turned his back on reporters asking questions. brandon is a failure just like you. How is your family coping with all the high prices? gonna get cold this winter, hope you have plenty of money.
@Metal-Brai
The good news is we don't have to listen to you EVER since ALL you want is to diss Biden, that is your ONLY goal.
For every Biden gaff there are a THOUSAND from your god king you claim to hate.
Myself, I would prefer a mean tweet and $1.29 gas
15 Oct 21
@eladar saidI thought only cowards feared death this anti vaxxer clearly has no fear of death and as you’ve said many times ‘we all die anyway’ so why are worrying about this kidney patient?
You are fine watching an otherwise healthy person die of kidney failure when a transplant is available.