@athousandyoung saidThe whole of the Caribbean is good for that has cheap labour [some pretty educated ones too] and even better for tourism. It would have been perfect had the USA taken over Cuba back in the 60s, continued the bridge from Key West and then down the chain of islands. Hawaii has nothing on the Caribbean.
The Cubans (and the Russians) won't let us. But don't worry our fruit corporations have Central America thoroughly under neo-imperialist control.
Isn't your island good for sugar plantations with cheap local labor now that you mention it?
17 Sep 23
@shavixmir saidYes but between almost equal countries. Drastic differences in standard of living leads to one way immigration which is not good. Eg a border between the US and Canada is a total waste of time and resources. Between US and Mexico a border is still required and can be removed when Mexico comes up to a decent standard of living to encourage people to stay or to emigrate.
So you basically want to get rid of borders and make immigration nothing more than moving house and totally legal.
Good for you!
There will come a point in time when the only thing stopping the removal of borders is culture, not standard of living. But we may not live long enough to see that.
18 Sep 23
@rajk999 saidBorders, in part, create poverty.
Yes but between almost equal countries. Drastic differences in standard of living leads to one way immigration which is not good. Eg a border between the US and Canada is a total waste of time and resources. Between US and Mexico a border is still required and can be removed when Mexico comes up to a decent standard of living to encourage people to stay or to emigrate.
T ...[text shortened]... removal of borders is culture, not standard of living. But we may not live long enough to see that.
By removing all borders, there will be an initial movement of people, but within a generation there will be stability and an equalisation.
Or, at least, a greater stability and equalisation than now.
A simple example: businesses won’t be able to outsource labour to third world countries (because cheap labour won’t exist), so jobs won’t flow away; that would be pointless.
@shavixmir saidYou'll always have borders as long as people desire to force their dream feeling ideals on their fellow man with the guns of the state. Things like free healthcare, welfare, free education , free this that and the other, remembering that goobermint can't give anything without first taking it.
Borders, in part, create poverty.
By removing all borders, there will be an initial movement of people, but within a generation there will be stability and an equalisation.
Or, at least, a greater stability and equalisation than now.
A simple example: businesses won’t be able to outsource labour to third world countries (because cheap labour won’t exist), so jobs won’t flow away; that would be pointless.
It's your worshiping of the state that makes free and open immigration impossible.
18 Sep 23
@wajoma saidBorders were and are created by the ruling classes.
You'll always have borders as long as people desire to force their dream feeling ideals on their fellow man with the guns of the state. Things like free healthcare, welfare, free education , free this that and the other, remembering that goobermint can't give anything without first taking it.
It's your worshiping of the state that makes free and open immigration impossible.
They’re a method of division; what belongs to whom.
And equally, the producing classes are thus divided amongst the rich, according to which side of a border they inhabit. Like tools and land.
As for your misrepresentation of socialism, with free, it is free at the point of delivery. But to reach that, everyone must first chip in, each to their own possibilities.
That capitalism has voided a great many possibilities to many, is consequence, and not a trigger.
18 Sep 23
@shavixmir saidIn a free society people would be free to join the free healthcare club, just remember one thing, they'd also have to pay for it. If it is such a success they'll have people wanting to become members of the free club banging down their doors trying to get in.
Borders were and are created by the ruling classes.
They’re a method of division; what belongs to whom.
And equally, the producing classes are thus divided amongst the rich, according to which side of a border they inhabit. Like tools and land.
As for your misrepresentation of socialism, with free, it is free at the point of delivery. But to reach that, everyone must ...[text shortened]...
That capitalism has voided a great many possibilities to many, is consequence, and not a trigger.
"Free at the point of delivery" = not free.
18 Sep 23
@wajoma saidExactly. It’s not free. Nobody in a socialist society talks a out free healthcare.
In a free society people would be free to join the free healthcare club, just remember one thing, they'd also have to pay for it. If it is such a success they'll have people wanting to become members of the free club banging down their doors trying to get in.
"Free at the point of delivery" = not free.
That’s what capitalists say about socialism.
In socialism, everybody works, everybody pays their fair share and everybody enjoys the fruits to their needs.
It’s not that difficult to comprehend. It’s not even that different to what the situation is for many people in the West now.
Nothing is free. It’s available at the moment of use.
18 Sep 23
@jj-adams saidNot sure they have anything resembling a government let alone a treasury but the UN needs to mandate someone to go in and dismantle the Gansta state that’s making Haitian life unbearable
How about they just give us the iridium as partial payback for the billions in aid the US has dumped on them?
Anyway, any money given to the Haitian treasury (do they even have one?) will just line the pockets of whatever HNIC is currently running things.
18 Sep 23
@wajoma saidSo your anti state thugs that tell people not to say gay and restrict the movement of women wanting to terminate a pregnancy then.
Libertarian Solution: Let peaceful people cross borders freely. Those that want to cross borders then enlist the services of state thugs to force their religion (including state worship) or ideals (clotshots and masks) while putting their hand in your pocket (state health and education) are not peaceful people, and there is a role for goobermint in stopping these threats to life, liberty and property.
@shavixmir saidOr because of the influx of labour into the recipient nations they won’t have to go any further than their own doorstep for their sweatshop labour.
Borders, in part, create poverty.
By removing all borders, there will be an initial movement of people, but within a generation there will be stability and an equalisation.
Or, at least, a greater stability and equalisation than now.
A simple example: businesses won’t be able to outsource labour to third world countries (because cheap labour won’t exist), so jobs won’t flow away; that would be pointless.
Mass uncontrolled migration is corporate wet dream unless it’s done under the auspices of a global socialist government
18 Sep 23
@kevcvs57 saidOr through organisation (trade unions, for example), it becomes impossible to create slave labour.
Or because of the influx of labour into the recipient nations they won’t have to go any further than their own doorstep for their sweatshop labour.
Mass uncontrolled migration is corporate wet dream unless it’s done under the auspices of a global socialist government
They can do that now, by moving business over a border. They can’t then.
18 Sep 23
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@shavixmir saidIn the UK the government does it for them by dismantling the unions with a variety of straight jacket anti union laws
Or through organisation (trade unions, for example), it becomes impossible to create slave labour.
They can do that now, by moving business over a border. They can’t then.
Unless you have a socialist government you have nothing but a larger pool of exploitable labour for the capitalist vultures to feed on
There’s a reason why far left parties are opposed to the EU.
18 Sep 23
@kevcvs57 saidBy leaving the EU, Britain got rid of a lot of regulations from which the working people benefitted.
In the UK the government does it for them by dismantling the unions with a variety of straight jacket anti union laws
Unless you have a socialist government you have nothing but a larger pool of exploitable labour for the capitalist vultures to feed on
There’s a reason why far left parties are opposed to the EU.
Basically isolating them from the larger pool. Divide and conquer and all that jazz.
18 Sep 23
@shavixmir saidFar left parties are not particularly profit or gdp motivated, they class the EU as a corporate project to provide an ever larger pool of labour.
By leaving the EU, Britain got rid of a lot of regulations from which the working people benefitted.
Basically isolating them from the larger pool. Divide and conquer and all that jazz.
I’m not anti EU myself, I’m what dive would a remoaner but the far left have a point, the UKs departure was a right wing project to dismantle the safeguards workers and citizens were guaranteed by the treaty, you could leave the EU and actually enact better protections if you wanted to, if you were a socialist country
18 Sep 23
@Wajoma
Almost ANY government would be better than anything Trump threw at us in is terrible 4 years and it will get a LOT worse, more like no more vote counting to get people elected because they will rig the system forever.