Waiting for the Messiah

Originally posted by generalissimo
sorry, I forgot to include the link.

http://englishtips.org/index.php?newsid=1150808926

or http://www.englishtips.org/ and then search "Economist"

I am a subscriber to The Economist and can download the audio version via a weekly e-mail. I find it more convenient, however, to download it from the above website in just 3 'parts'. And the pdf copy is handy to have too.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
But this group is not so large (about 5% ), discrimination against, say, gays and intellectuals (atheists) is much more of an issue in the US.

america has a population of 306 million (ish)

what's 5% of 306 million?

that's A LOT of people.

but like mi amigo has put it, your figure is just a random number plucked out of your own head that has no relevance or meaning to anything.

Originally posted by Seitse
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I thought so.

I read a survey about the US elections; people were asked if they would elect a president if he/she had a certain characteristic, but would be an ideal candidate otherwise. A large portion of the population objected against gays and atheists, but only a few percent against blacks or women.

I found it here, it seems that women are not as wanted as I had remembered, but my figure on blacks was correct.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/black_president_more_likely_than_mormon_or_atheist_/

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
No, I was describing intellectuals as atheists.

is every intellectual an atheist?

Originally posted by FMF
http://englishtips.org/index.php?newsid=1150808926

or http://www.englishtips.org/ and then search "Economist"

I am a subscriber to The Economist and can download the audio version via a weekly e-mail. I find it more convenient, however, to download it from the above website in just 3 'parts'. And the pdf copy is handy to have too.

what the point of this post?

quit wasting time.

Originally posted by generalissimo
is every intellectual an atheist?

I believe so, yes. I don't think someone who despises reason and science can be called an intellectual.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
I believe so, yes. I don't think someone who despises reason and science can be called an intellectual.

Is that an article of faith for you?

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
I believe so, yes. I don't think someone who despises reason and science can be called an intellectual.

LOL

you think every person who believes in something automatically despises science and reason?

Originally posted by Palynka
Is that an article of faith for you?

in the near distant future you will be able to consume philosophy much the same way you order fast food at macd's. the focus groups are still split as to whether the cheery upsizing suggestion should be "would you like faith with that", or" would you like some reason with that"

as to the whole have a nice day salutation, some feel that that introduces far too much unnecesary optimism into the whole experience and fear that it might cloud the objectivity some people demand out of a good think.

Originally posted by generalissimo
LOL

you think every person who believes in something automatically despises science and reason?

where are you kazetnorra?

answer the question!

Originally posted by generalissimo
LOL

you think every person who believes in something automatically despises science and reason?

Maybe not explicitly, but implicitly, yes. At least if the belief is founded on dogma and not on reason.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Maybe not explicitly, but implicitly, yes. At least if the belief is founded on dogma and not on reason.

Im religious, and yet I embrace science and reason.

Originally posted by generalissimo
Im religious, and yet I embrace science and reason.

I disagree.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
I disagree.

why?

I believe the universe was the creation of a divine being, the same who gave us life, and I also believe in evolution, and etc.
my personal beliefs don't contradict science.

Originally posted by generalissimo
why?

I believe the universe was the creation of a divine being, the same who gave us life, and I also believe in evolution, and etc.
my personal beliefs don't contradict science.

It's perfectly possible to have beliefs which don't contradict science, although they will still be irrelevant to science as they will generally be metaphysical. However, any metaphysical belief is incompatible with reason because the inverse of any metaphysical proposition is a priori no more likely than the proposition itself. Any non-metaphysical belief is either incompatible with science or an hypothesis that needs backing up with empirical evidence.