29 Jul 06
Originally posted by no1maraudermarauder: "How much "firing" was going on before the massive Israeli attacks?"
How much "firing" was going on before the massive Israeli attacks? Hezbollah has joined the Lebanon's government call for a cease fire (supported by the vast majority of the international community) in case you haven't been following events very closely. A cease fire usually results in less deaths than a active war.
Enough Katousja rockets were fired and enough attacks were carried out to make clear to Israel that Hezbollah's military presence on its Northern border posed an ever growing security risk.
29 Jul 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeFrom cnn.com today:
[b]Marauder: "Hezbollah has joined the Lebanon's government call for a cease fire ... "
Oops, I missed that .... do you have a link ?
Marauder: " ...supported by the vast majority of the international community ... "
In Iran's case you always wipe your behind with what the International Community wants. How come you suddenly changed your ...[text shortened]... nd and present the International Community's wishes as being relevant in this case ?
.[/b]
Lebanese cease-fire plan
The Lebanese cease-fire plan, developed by Lebanese Prime Minister Siniora, will be presented to Rice. It calls for an immediate cease-fire, the release of Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails and the return of two Israeli soldiers held by Hezbollah.
The plan calls for the return of displaced Lebanese and negotiations between Israel and Lebanon concerning the disputed Shebaa farms under Israeli control.
It also calls for the release of maps showing Israeli minefields near the Lebanese border; the deployment and strengthening of the Lebanese army; and the expansion of the U.N. force in the south.
Although Hezbollah agreed to a cease-fire with Israel and a larger international presence in southern Lebanon, the group objected to "a robust force" of international peacekeepers, the sources said.
Please try to stay on-topic.
29 Jul 06
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Originally posted by ivanhoeSC 1559 is contrary to international law including the UN Charter. And Israel killed that women and her children, not Hezbollah.
Would this woman and her six children still be alive if Hezbollah had been disarmed according to UN Security Council resolution 1559 ?
What is the Security Council's position on the disarmament and disbanding of Hezbollah ?
29 Jul 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeOf course; whatever Israel decides is fine with you, no matter how many people die because of their irrational decisions.
[b]marauder: "How much "firing" was going on before the massive Israeli attacks?"
Enough Katousja rockets were fired and enough attacks were carried out to make clear to Israel that Hezbollah's military presence on its Northern border posed an ever growing security risk.[/b]
30 Jul 06
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Originally posted by NordlysAs I stated before Hezbollah posed an increasing security risk on Israel's Northern border. Syrië and Iran are the ones financing Hezbollah, training them, and arming them with Katousja rockets and other arms. They are now supplying Hezbollah with rockets to reach cities and villages up to 50 km from the Lebanese Israeli border. The Katousja rockets's reach is constantly increasing.
How so?
Hezbollah has been firing rockets into Israel and carrying out other attacks during the last three years. The UN Security Council decided in SC resolution 1559 (september 2004) that Hezbollah should be disarmed and disbanded and that the Lebanese government's sovereignty and authority should be reinstalled over the whole of Lebanese territory. In return Israel should withdraw from Libanon. Israel met these demands and withdrew, but Hezbollah was not disarmed and disbanded. On the contrary, Syria and Iran continued to supply them with arms and continued to strengten Hezbollah's positions on Israel's Northern border. Also, as a consequense of Libanon's, Syria's and Iran's not complying with SC resolution 1559, the Lebanese government's authority over South Libanon was not restored.
Israel decided after the recent abduction of two and the killing of six IDF soldiers that they had to act and remove the ever increasing security risk on its northern border. They decided to do what the International Community failed to do: to disarm Hezbollah.
30 Jul 06
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Originally posted by ivanhoeThe Lebanese government disagrees with you that Israel had ever withdrawn from all Lebanese territory. It's present plan demands a permanent Israeli withdrawal from the Shebba Farms area. The UN claims this is Syrian territory which Lebanon disagrees with. In any event, it certainly isn't Israeli territory. Nor did the illegal SC Resolution 1559 make any mention of Lebanese being held by Israel. A typical misuse of the Security Council by the big powers against a small, weak country.
As I stated before Hezbollah posed an increasing security risk on Israel's Northern border. Syrië and Iran are the ones financing Hezbollah, training them, and arming them with Katousja rockets and other arms. They are now supplying Hezbollah with rockets to reach cities and villages up to 50 km from the Lebanese Israeli border. The Katousja rockets's reach They decided to do what the International Community failed to do: to disarm Hezbollah.
Israel is in violation of so many Security Council resolutions that it is laughable to invoke SC 1559 to support Israel's invasion. Note even SC 1559 does not grant any nation, including Israel, the legal authority to invade Lebanon to force compliance with it.
30 Jul 06
Originally posted by no1marauderSure, Israel created Hezbollah and the US created Al Qaida ...... are you hooked on this one-dimensional and reductionist way of thinking which is merely meant to simplify matters and to obfuscate the complicated political issues at stake in order to convice the intellectually challenged that Israel and the US are the ones who are solely to blame for the mess we are in ?
I'd like an answer to that question as well. Israel's invasion of Lebanon in 1982 created Hezbollah; Israel's actions this month will strengthen it.
30 Jul 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeI'm pointing out that Israel is foolishly repeating the same mistake it made 24 years ago. Some people never learn.
Sure, Israel created Hezbollah and the US created Al Qaida ...... are you hooked on this one-dimensional and reductionist way of thinking which is merely meant to simplify matters and to obfuscate the complicated political issues at stake in order to convice the intellectually challenged that Israel and the US are the ones who are solely to blame for the mess we are in ?
30 Jul 06
Originally posted by no1marauderOh brother, .... the Shebba Farms. Does this issue justify the enormous build up of arms on Hezbollah's side, not by the Lebanese government mind you (one would expect this of course). Nooooo, by the Syrians and by Iran.
The Lebanese government disagrees with you that Israel had ever withdrawn from all Lebanese territory. It's present plan demands a permanent Israeli withdrawal from the Shebba Farms area. The UN claims this is Syrian territory which Lebanon disagrees with. In any event, it certainly isn't Israeli territory. Nor did the illegal SC Resolution 1559 make any ...[text shortened]... nation, including Israel, the legal authority to invade Lebanon to force compliance with it.
marauder, as I said before, you present the wishes of the Security Council and the wishes of the International Community only if they fit in with your own ideas and reasoning. If not you wipe your behind with them ....
Can you please explain why SC resolution 1559 is illegal, a stance not shared by the International Community whose wishes you seem to cherish so tenderly .... until you wipe your bum with them.
30 Jul 06
I should point out that only provision 3 of SC 1559 - the call for a disarming of Lebanese militias - is violative of international law as an interference with the internal affairs of Lebanon. As for the rest, a Resolution calling for withdrawal of all non-Lebanese forces from Lebanon can hardly be considered support for a foreign invasion.
30 Jul 06
Originally posted by ivanhoeSee below. Your hysterical claims are really too much regarding Syria and Iran; Hezbollah is composed of Lebanese nationals and is recognized as a national resistance movement by almost all of the governments of the Arab world.
Oh brother, .... the Shebba Farms. Does this issue justify the enormous build up of arms on Hezbollah's side, not by the Lebanese government mind you (one would expect this of course). Nooooo, by the Syrians and by Iran.
marauder, as I said before, you present the wishes of the Security Council and the wishes of the International Community only if they fi ...[text shortened]... Community whose wishes you seem to cherish so tenderly .... until you wipe your bum with them.
30 Jul 06
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Originally posted by no1marauderMaybe they made the same mistake, but this still remains to be seen. They will not retreat from Libanon after they have gotten hard guarantees that Hezbollah will not get the chance to become the security threat it was able to become despite the agreement laid down in the 2004 SC resolution 1559.
I'm pointing out that Israel is foolishly repeating the same mistake it made 24 years ago. Some people never learn.
Anyway, Israel's actions show the difficult security situation in which Israel was being manouvered by Syria and Iran (in cooperation with its proxy Hezbollah of course).
30 Jul 06
Originally posted by no1marauderHa ha ha ..... don't be so damned naïve, marauder .... stop spreading obvious Islamist propaganda.
See below. Your hysterical claims are really too much regarding Syria and Iran; Hezbollah is composed of Lebanese nationals and is recognized as a national resistance movement by almost all of the governments of the Arab world.