Originally posted by StarrmanSure. "primary" evidence is that it is a "done deal".
So is no-one able to point out primary evidence for the exisistence of Jesus then?
If we are having a hard time agreeing that he even existed, we cannot then take steps to say he even died. If we can't say with any sureity he did live or die, how can we debate what happened to his body?
I had previously presumed that Jesus had lived and that there is ...[text shortened]... alone as the supernatural figurehead of a religion.
Can anyone point out primary evidence?
Don't you believe in statistical analysis?
Or are you going for an absolute thing in an indeterminate universe?
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI'm not sure that statistical analysis would shed any light on this anyway.
Sure. "primary" evidence is that it is a "done deal".
Don't you believe in statistical analysis?
Or are you going for an absolute thing in an indeterminate universe?
It may be an indeterminate universe at the moment, but the search for absolutes hopefully diminishes its unknown qualities don't you think?
Originally posted by StarrmanOk. I'll give you a hint. More people "believe" than adopt your point of view.
I'm not sure that statistical analysis would shed any light on this anyway.
It may be an indeterminate universe at the moment, but the search for absolutes hopefully diminishes its unknown qualities don't you think?
So. Do you claim "absolute truth"? If so... "GOD DAMNED TELL US SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP WONDERIN'"
If you don't, then we just go along with the "majority" position.
Science.
Ain't it a bitch?
Originally posted by steerpikeprimary evidence is anything written at the time of the event, or written by someone who is there. and records were not taken of carpenters from nazareth at that time! but records are not the only source in history. battles are not often recorded in such records...
How would you prove George Washington existed? You go back to records produced during his lifetime - church records including a birth register, records of purchase of property, army pay records, letters written by him, contempary writings.This source material is not biased - it is a factual record of a birth. a death. or property changing hands. I think t ...[text shortened]... So - where is this primary material from the lifetime of Jesus of Nazereth and where is it held?
anyway - chrsitainity is a faith based religion, and this faith is based on fact. if this fact wasn;t true, then it would all be in vain.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyWhy should we go along with a position which is unsupported with evidence and herd together with the majority belief? Majority belief is not a reason to dismiss a search for proof, or to do away with reason.
Ok. I'll give you a hint. More people "believe" than adopt your point of view.
So. Do you claim "absolute truth"? If so... "GOD DAMNED TELL US SO WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP WONDERIN'"
If you don't, then we just go along with the "majority" position.
Science.
Ain't it a bitch?
Originally posted by Brother EdwinI have carried out an extensive search on Julious Ceaser (meaning I typed it into Google)
This is not a spiritality duscussion it is historical fact.
First we have more proof of Jesus than of [b]Julious Ceaser. Se he did exist for the purpose of this duscussion.
His body did dissapear. Where did it go? Resurection is not a option.[/b]
Julious Ceaser is listed on the LAUDERDALE COUNTY, ALABAMA CENSUS - TAX LISTS (1850) at age 2 http://www.rootsweb.com/~allauder/1850cendist1p1.htm
Looks like the same Julious Ceaser had a son to Claudia (Heil) Quillin - Julious Max Quillin, who was born January 17, 1911, in rural Mahaska County. Must have been a tough old dude to father a child at 63.
Sadly. Max passed away on last week at age 94 ( March 190 2005) which is an absolute shame - he might have been able to settle the debate for us by confirming his father Julious Ceaser indeed existed. http://www.gardenchapel.com/Services/031705-quillin.htm.
BTW - anyone else find it strange men still live whose fathers might have fought in the American Civil War?