@earl-of-trumps saidYou are a freaking idiot.
Chronic Liberal Liars just can't take being identified as liars, such as in your "Trump is a dictator"
you cried foul when I showed that Trump lost the election and went 0-60 in the courts, and had to explain to LAME BRAIN Lying Liberals that it was therefor *proven* that Trump was NOT a dictator
So you LIED for four years, Lying Liberals.
And you're lying he ...[text shortened]... berals lied about that!! Now proven.
Liberal Liars are fooking chronic filth-bag Liars.
enjoy.
Trump WANTED to be a dictator, emperor, KING. Everyone knows it. This is what pathological narcissists do. In worst case, they become megalomaniacs. Trump's problem is that he is singularly inept to realize his ambitious dreams. So he blames everyone except himself.
He WOULD have been a dictator if he was smarter than he is. But America is on watch now. The next guy who tries is going to be a lot smarter and just might succeed where Trump failed miserably.
So it's not so much that we lied, than Trump himself just screwed up.
@earl-of-trumps saidThey were telling the truth and your still lying now. Give it up.
no suzie, it's what *******I'm******* focking saying.
you forkers LIED for 4 years - you called trump a dictator and called him Putin's puppet,
and any chance I get to shove it up your &&& - I will. Smile.
I'm not very happy with chronic liars.
Why would restarting talks on START make Biden Putins puppet?
First we need to know how much Trump has sold to Putin in their private meeting though.
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@earl-of-trumps saidComplexity is clearly difficult for you to understand: So I'll keep it dumbed-down per requirement.
Now, I know that Democrats have said for 4 years that Trump was Putin's Puppet. Really!?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-nuclear/kremlin-says-would-welcome-bidens-efforts-to-extend-new-start-arms-control-treaty-idUSKBN29P14R
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[b]Kremlin says would welcome Biden's efforts to extend New START arms control treaty[ ...[text shortened]... about Trump being Putin's puppet. 😵 😵 😵
Noooooooooooooooooo... Lying Liberals lie to us?????
Your departed orange hero has done the U.S. a covert favor. This, in spite of all humiliations which indicate the contrary.
We have learned more about Putin, his methods and multiple levels of assets, than he has learned of ours.
Yes, Trump was suffered by our country at-large, but he has also been successfully utilized as our doubly... "useful idiot".
Putin has been played, not like a marionette, but as a human sock-puppet. And now the end of the show is in sight.
@earl-of-trumps saidTrump's approach to foreign policy, the "take my ball and go home" tantrum mixed in with "undo everything Obama" is over.
Now, I know that Democrats have said for 4 years that Trump was Putin's Puppet. Really!?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-nuclear/kremlin-says-would-welcome-bidens-efforts-to-extend-new-start-arms-control-treaty-idUSKBN29P14R
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[b]Kremlin says would welcome Biden's efforts to extend New START arms control treaty[ ...[text shortened]... about Trump being Putin's puppet. 😵 😵 😵
Noooooooooooooooooo... Lying Liberals lie to us?????
That was behavior befitting a 12 year old bully in a schoolyard.
Biden's approach to letting discussions on various agreements continue from an adult perspective is not evidence of him being in someone else's pocket, it represents hitting a reset button in a geopolitical playing field.
A field where Trump was clearly in over his head !!
Some of these agreements....
Paris Climate Accords
Iran nuclear deal
Trans-Pacific Trade
START (that you mentioned)
..... can be debated for their imperfections, but these agreements represent compromise from negotiations, which is normal.
You may continue posting your drivel to this thread if you wish.
But this narrative, in a bucket full of weak narratives, has got to be the weakest (and most hilarious).
That I even bothered to respond to this thread is just an indication that I haven't finished my first cup of coffee yet. 😛
@kevcvs57 saidKev, you know me, I hate liars and you just wrongfully accused me of being one. You are of course, a liar.
They were telling the truth and your still lying now. Give it up.
Why would restarting talks on START make Biden Putins puppet?
First we need to know how much Trump has sold to Putin in their private meeting though.
I will prove my point which is: You democrats accuse Trump of being Putin's puppet.
But it was - in this case, Trump who would not sign on to the START program with Putin/Russia, and it was Biden who did commit to cooperate with Putin.
Exhibit A: from the AP
MOSCOW (AP) — Moscow is ready for a quick deal with the incoming administration of U.S. President-elect Joe Biden to extend the last remaining arms control pact, which expires in just over two weeks, Russia’s top diplomat said Monday.
Months of talks between Russia and President Donald Trump’s administration on the possible extension of the New START treaty have failed to narrow their differences. The pact is set to expire on Feb. 5.
Biden has spoken in favor of the preservation of the New START treaty, which was negotiated during his tenure as U.S. vice president, and Russia has said it’s open for its quick and unconditional extension.
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I have thus PROVED my point, Trump did not complete a deal with Putin, and Biden is tripping over himself getting the agreement with Putin done.
Kev, you are a LIAR.
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-sergey-lavrov-moscow-russia-b5fe0e5bce42df943a2c2f3287a15e90
@earl-of-trumps saidNo you haven’t though because you’ve failed to prove that the START agreement is somehow in Moscow’s interests to a greater degree than Washington’s interests.
Kev, you know me, I hate liars and you just wrongfully accused me of being one. You are of course, a liar.
I will prove my point which is: You democrats accuse Trump of being Putin's puppet.
But it was - in this case, Trump who would not sign on to the START program with Putin/Russia, and it was Biden who did commit to cooperate with Putin.
Exhibit A: from the ...[text shortened]... news.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-sergey-lavrov-moscow-russia-b5fe0e5bce42df943a2c2f3287a15e90
The fact that trump didn’t engage with the question of nuclear arms restriction probably reflects the fact that there were no juicy development deals tied into them.
So your claiming that all the previous presidents who prioritised arms reduction / stabilisation agreements with Russia were the Kremlin’s puppets. Is that your claim?
This answers your question, Earl:
Rand Paul calls Trump impeachment trial ‘dead on arrival’ after 45 GOP…
Jonah Goldberg: Are the polls really missing a silent army of Trump supporters?
The Washington Post logoIn first call with Putin, Biden marks a return to skepticism from the top
President Biden laid out a bill of complaint against Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday, airing allegations of human rights abuses, cyberspying and more while making a hard pivot away from the deference that former president Donald Trump often displayed toward Russia.
The phone call less than a week into Biden’s term was his first known contact with an adversarial foreign leader. It came as the United States has joined European nations and others in condemning the detention of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny and after a crackdown on street protests.
Biden’s agenda for the call included protest of “ongoing Russian aggression” against Ukraine, and he confronted Putin over the “Solar Winds” espionage case, alleged interference in U.S. elections and the alleged offer to pay bounties for the deaths of U.S. troops serving in Afghanistan, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said Tuesday.
“His intention was also to make clear that the United States will act firmly in defense of our national interests in response to malign actions by Russia,” Psaki said.
Throughout his presidency, Trump refused to pin blame on Russia for actions ranging from 2016 election interference to the attempted assassination of a British former spy, the poisoning of Navalny last year, the alleged bounties and the extensive cyberhack that affected U.S. federal agencies and corporations. In each of those cases, other elements of the U.S. government blamed Russia.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-first-call-with-putin-biden-marks-a-return-to-skepticism-from-the-top/ar-BB1d7F4k
@Earl-of-Trumps
You mean such useless stuff as extending the nuclear accords which were due to end February 5? Worthless crap like that?
Exactly why do you seem to think that is nothing and maybe it was Trump who set that one up?
You destroy your own argument.
You perhaps forgot the Helsinki summit where Trump was all but licking Putins balls and if you think otherwise, you need a new brain, one not so profoundly pro trump even though you CLAIM to be an independent.
@mghrn55 - Trump's approach to foreign policy, the "take my ball and go home" tantrum mixed in with "undo everything Obama" is over.
That was behavior befitting a 12 year old bully in a schoolyard.
Hello, mgh?!?!?
What forking thread are YOU in?
How exactly is Trump's "Take my ball and go home" approach supposed to be help Putin and Russia?
Stick to the subject matter, diverting is not good posting etiquette and wastes time.
@kevcvs57 - No you haven’t though because you’ve failed to prove that the START agreement is somehow in Moscow’s interests to a greater degree than Washington’s interests.
Wrong!
The Russian legislature already has approved of the extension as is and is ready to be signed due to Putin's puppet in the WH, Joe Biden, giving very quick approval to the START agreement. Like *suspiciously* quick.
That shows that the START agreement is in Russia's best interest.
See how fast Biden got the job done??? that *proves* Joe is Putin's puppet. At least Trump had some long standing reservations about that agreement, which proves Trump is *not* Putin's puppet.
you lose again, Kev.
@no1marauder saidWe've gone thru this bullshoot before
This answers your question, Earl:
Rand Paul calls Trump impeachment trial ‘dead on arrival’ after 45 GOP…
Jonah Goldberg: Are the polls really missing a silent army of Trump supporters?
The Washington Post logoIn first call with Putin, Biden marks a return to skepticism from the top
President Biden laid out a bill of complaint against Russian President Vladimir ...[text shortened]... s/news/politics/in-first-call-with-putin-biden-marks-a-return-to-skepticism-from-the-top/ar-BB1d7F4k
Trump had more smoke with Putin than any other world leader, including Maduro.
Trump was COMPLETEY opposed to Putin in Ukraine. HOW CAN THIS BE if Trump is doing Putin's will???? Trump had Russian diplomats thrown out of Washington, Trump had America troops in Syria opposing Russia's side (Syria), Trump had Russia sanctioned more than once, and the list goes on and on.
And you say Trump made "phone calls" to Russia early on in his tenure???
and this shows exactly WHAT??? How the hell did you pass the bar.
Trump MAY cooperate with Putin on occasion, the way Obama cooperated with Castro but Trump had so many instances where he was dead against Putin, it is obvious, Trump is no Puppet of Putin.
There's THE answer.
@sonhouse saidAre you soft??? Check that, yes you are.
@Earl-of-Trumps
You mean such useless stuff as extending the nuclear accords which were due to end February 5? Worthless crap like that?
Exactly why do you seem to think that is nothing and maybe it was Trump who set that one up?
You destroy your own argument.
You perhaps forgot the Helsinki summit where Trump was all but licking Putins balls and if you think otherwi ...[text shortened]... e, you need a new brain, one not so profoundly pro trump even though you CLAIM to be an independent.
If Trump renewed the START agreement, you would accuse Trump of cooperating with his Puppet Master, Putin.
Here, we have a Trump that BALKED at renewal of the START agreement and you have the incredible BALLZ to say that it destroys my own argument??
In Syria, the US wants to dismantle Assad more so than Assad's enemies in Syria, al Qaeda and ISIS. Russia is backing Syria, a long time friend. Trump had no problem putting America troops right in Syria. This is Putin's puppet calling the shots??
You're out of your freeking mind.
I can show you a dozen times that Trump went right up against Putin in a serious way, like in Ukraine and Syria. Please, stop lying, sonhouse, Trump is no man's puppet, least of all, Putin's.
Showing me a time or two that Trump cooperated with Putin proves NOTHING as two world leaders do cooperate quite often when both can prosper. Again, see how Obama paid to rebuild Havana harbor. What matters most is, can it be shown where Trump opposed Putin i n serious way - and I can do that many times.
you haven't got a leg to stand on. Your lack of understanding is appalling.
EDIT to add:
sonhouse, Biden agreed to the START treaty in record time. Doesn't that prove Biden is Putin's puppet in the White House? Yes, of course it does.
@earl-of-trumps saidOnly because you cannot or will not correctly interpret what I posted
@kevcvs57 - No you haven’t though because you’ve failed to prove that the START agreement is somehow in Moscow’s interests to a greater degree than Washington’s interests.
Wrong!
The Russian legislature already has approved of the extension as is and is ready to be signed due to Putin's puppet in the WH, Joe Biden, giving very quick approval to the START ...[text shortened]... servations about that agreement, which proves Trump is *not* Putin's puppet.
you lose again, Kev.
I said
“ No you haven’t though because you’ve failed to prove that the START agreement is somehow in Moscow’s interests to a greater degree than Washington’s interests. ”
I’ve highlighted the relevant section of the sentence feel free to try again earl.
@earl-of-trumps saidUS troops in Syria fought against Assad's enemies, not Assad's forces.
Are you soft??? Check that, yes you are.
If Trump renewed the START agreement, you would accuse Trump of cooperating with his Puppet Master, Putin.
Here, we have a Trump that BALKED at renewal of the START agreement and you have the incredible BALLZ to say that it destroys my own argument??
In Syria, the US wants to dismantle Assad more so than Assad's enemi ...[text shortened]... record time. Doesn't that prove Biden is Putin's puppet in the White House? Yes, of course it does.