Yeah, again this is not a good reason to choose between the two (or to choose either one for that matter). This having been said, the quality of posts in xtian/atheist debate threads is highly skewed to the atheist side. That's not to say that there aren't a few solid xtian posters, but overall we atheists are much stronger.
Of course, this assessment truncates the observations to ones where we atheists aren't just mocking our adversaries and thus abandoning our sound reason.
This is my most objective conclusion. 🙂
Originally posted by telerionWell said.
Yeah, again this is not a good reason to choose between the two (or to choose either one for that matter). This having been said, the quality of posts in xtian/atheist debate threads is highly skewed to the atheist side. That's not to s ...[text shortened]... ning our sound reason.
This is my most objective conclusion. 🙂
I will go further and ask forgiveness for our wanton unwillingness... as atheists to allow the christians to express their point of view. Sorry.
"Forgive us. We knew exactly what we did."
Atheists need a lesson or two when it comes to the humility thing.
Especially me.
Anyway. Long live diversity. May we all be christians and buddhists and muslims and 'andynogstics' and atheists. Being alive pretty much covers it. That is better than all becoming "nothings".
Originally posted by Brother EdwinSeeing as how to be a true Christian you would have to actually believe certain things, those things not being who is stronger in the debates forum of an internet chess site, your automatic choice would have to be atheist. An atheist can proclaim that there is no God because if there was then there would not be any atheist in the debates forum of an interntet chess site for reason X.
I am undecided on weather to be christan or athest. In arguments on this forum who tends to have the most numbers/best debaters? ie who is the stronger side? Tell me so I can join that side.
If you want to be on the logically strong side, be an atheist. Christianity is for people who know and admit they are weak, but persevere in their belief against all odds and opposition because of an innate understanding that cannot be gleaned through purely logical procees. The Christain understands that anything his mind can comprehend is insufficient judgement to know the truth of the universe because we are limited in our perceptions. There are a great many things the Christian is and adheres to that makes him/her what they are, and being in the majority in an internet chess forum is not one of them.
Best Regards (and not taking your question serious for one moment),
Omnislash 😉
Originally posted by OmnislashYou Know?
Seeing as how to be a true Christian you would have to actually believe certain things, those things not being who is stronger in the debates forum of an internet chess site, your automatic choice would have to be atheist. An atheist can proclaim that there is no God because if there was then there would not be any atheist in the debates forum of an intern ...[text shortened]... Best Regards (and not taking your question serious for one moment),
Omnislash 😉
You are the reason I love Christians.
Peace. And well done.
Mike
Christianity is for people who know and admit they are weak, but persevere in their belief against all odds and opposition because of an innate understanding that cannot be gleaned through purely logical procees. The Christain understands that anything his mind can comprehend is insufficient judgement to know the truth of the universe because we are limited in our perceptions.
Funny thing is, this is exactly how I feel about things, but I am not a Christian just because of the fact that I cannot accept the Bible as an ultimate athority. I am in a limbo. I think too much like a Christian to be an athiest, and too much like an athiest to be a Christian. But this is a subject for a more serious thread.
Originally posted by thesonofsaulSo you are a agnostic
[b]Christianity is for people who know and admit they are weak, but persevere in their belief against all odds and opposition because of an innate understanding that cannot be gleaned through purely logical procees. The Christain understands that anything his mind can comprehend is insufficient judgement to know the truth of the universe because we are ...[text shortened]... nd too much like an athiest to be a Christian. But this is a subject for a more serious thread.
Originally posted by telerionI guess I would disagree, as far as atheist being stronger. We are
Yeah, again this is not a good reason to choose between the two (or to choose either one for that matter). This having been said, the quality of posts in xtian/atheist debate threads is highly skewed to the atheist side. That's not to say that there aren't a few solid xtian posters, but overall we atheists are much stronger.
Of course, this assessm ...[text shortened]... ur adversaries and thus abandoning our sound reason.
This is my most objective conclusion. 🙂
measuring strength how? Debate ability, being able to focus on
the truth, what? I would also suggest it is not a matter of whom among
us is stronger that is really important, but the foundation on which
each of us stands or builds our lives on. Scripture describes standing
or building on Jesus as standing or building on a solid rock while
those not standing or building on Christ are like those standing on
shifting sand. When the storms come those on the rock survive, those
not suffered. Since we are all human, our strength varies little, it is
where our foundations are that are important.
Kelly
Originally posted by thesonofsaulFor what it's worth to you, I doubt my beliefs every day. Everyday I question what I stand for. This, I believe, is the hallmark of a person who earnestly seeks the truth. I myself felt much like you are describing at a time in my life. While in the end I chose Christianity, I respect your consternation and hope you will find your own personal truth in time.
[b]Christianity is for people who know and admit they are weak, but persevere in their belief against all odds and opposition because of an innate understanding that cannot be gleaned through purely logical procees. The Christain understands that anything his mind can comprehend is insufficient judgement to know the truth of the universe because we are ...[text shortened]... nd too much like an athiest to be a Christian. But this is a subject for a more serious thread.
Best Regards,
Omnislash
Originally posted by RBHILLSounds like Moby Dick:
That is like saying who is stronger God or Human.
Sayth Ahab:
"Talk to me not of blasphemy man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me. For could the sun do that, then could I do the other; since there is ever a sort of fair play herein, jealosy presiding over all creations."
Of course, true athiests don't believe in God, or, more specifically, believe that there is no God of any sort, and since one cannot be stronger than something that doesn't exist, it's not like saying that at all.
Originally posted by thesonofsaulWe stand and cry for our want of security and know,
something that doesn't exist, it's not like saying that at all.[/b]
alone as we are in the sea and the ship and the whale
that the wind is a function that our computers struggle
to model.
If we struggle to model the wind, what chance reality?
We stand and cry for our want of knowing,
alone as we are in the sea and the ship and the beast
that bears us to the fullfillment of a mysterious birth
of our mother.
If we struggle the birth of mother, what chance eternal life?
I guess I would disagree, as far as atheist being stronger.
I think I'm going to die of not-surprise. 😛
We are measuring strength how?
Persuasiveness and rationality.
I would also suggest it is not a matter of whom among
us is stronger that is really important, but the foundation on which
each of us stands or builds our lives on.
This is basically what we've all said. Post quality in RHP is weak grounds for forming a metaphysical opinion.
It matters which camp has stronger posts only in as much as they help Bro Ed arrive at some truth. I would hold that the more rationally persuasive post aids Bro Ed in arriving at said truth. Notice that this does not imply that the superior post is actually speaking truth. In fact, the superior post's thesis may be false, and the weaker post's thesis true. Even still, the superior post will aid Bro Ed more if only by pointing out the weakness of the inferior post. Thus he will discover that the truth claimed by the weaker post cannot be attained through the weaker post's method.
Scripture describes standing
or building on Jesus as standing or building on a solid rock while
those not standing or building on Christ are like those standing on
shifting sand. When the storms come those on the rock survive, those
not suffered.
Thank you for bringing a long lost childhood memory back to mind.
"The foolish man built his house upon the sand
The foolish man built his house upon the sand
The foolish man built his house upon the sand
And something something something house got screwed"
"The wise man built his house upon the rock
The wise man built his house upon the rock
The wise man built his house upon the rock
And something something something Christ kicks ass"
"So build your house upon the rock
So build your house upon the rock
So build your house upon the rock
Or else something something something burn in hell"
I remember that little bit of childhood indoctrination came complete with fun hand gestures. Naturally, we wouldn't expect xtianity to praise the philosophical groundings of its detractors.
Since we are all human, our strength varies little, it is
where our foundations are that are important.
Are you saying we shouldn't place our faith in the authority of other men because the distribution of man-strength is centered tightly about its mean?
I agree foundations are important. This is a good reason to reject xtianity.
Intending no offense,
telerion
Originally posted by telerionI think I'm going to die of not-surprise. 😛
[b]I guess I would disagree, as far as atheist being stronger.
I think I'm going to die of not-surprise. 😛
We are measuring strength how?
Persuasiveness and rationality.
I would also suggest it is not a matte ...[text shortened]... t xtianity.
Intending no offense,
telerion
😵
Intending no offense,
telerion
[/b]None taken.😀
Kelly